TACO Tuesday in Tehran

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[01:44] Welcome to Pod Save America, I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor. On today's show, we've got Trump seemingly making up stories about negotiating with Iran [01:55] their power plants [01:56] ICE agents being deployed to airports because Trump refuses to fund TSA unless Congress passes a law making it harder for people to vote. [02:03] Democrats fantasizing about a Schumer-less future and hotter candidates. And the president celebrating the death of Bob Mueller. Then Lovett talks to strict scrutiny's Leah Lippman about the Supreme Court's latest assault on mail-in voting. [02:17] And lots more. But first, some exciting news, guys. [02:21] Thanks to all of you listeners. We are, as of this recording, just 484 subscribers away from having 50,000 subscribers. [02:30] Friend of the Pod subscribers. So if you haven't yet subscribed, please consider doing so, not just to help us hit 50,000, but so that you don't miss out on all the crooked content we're putting out for subscribers only. Friend of the Pod subscribers get our new extra episode of Pod Save America called Pod Save America Only Friends. Other subscriber-only shows like Polar Coaster with Dan Pfeiffer, access to all of our excellent Substack newsletters like Pod Save America Open Tabs, ad-free episodes of all your favorite crooked pods, [03:00] the few independent pro-democracy media outlets left in Trump's America. And you're saying that, Tommy, at 50,000, you'll show feet? That's right? [03:08] I do have a wiki feed. I could add to it. Add to it. Okay. Tommy will show feed. I wouldn't say they're my best feature. I was going to say. Well, I'm ugly as feed. We'll give the 50,000th subscriber Trump's phone number. Should I go get my phone? Yeah. Should we call him? Yeah. Ask him about his tweet. Let's check in. Oh, that's a good one.

[03:26] Or should we ask him if he thinks the new Ayatollah is hot? [03:33] Oh, yeah. [03:38] This is probably like... He's getting to... [03:41] The witching hours, you know? He's sundowning. Probably calling during his favorite show. Oh, yeah. Is this Hannity? Fuck, you're right. No, Hannity 8, right? Oh, yeah. Maybe this is Andrew. 415. I don't know who this is. He likes the moon. He hates Newsmax. Please leave your name and number. I got a little excited for a second. [04:00] I get a little nervous. Me too. I get a little nervous. I feel comfortable that Tommy has a plan, but I don't. I do. I mean, I have to do the Tom Beecher on a recorded line. I was going to tell him how Pots Save America, we're bigger than Ben Shapiro. And then I wanted to ask him if the new Supreme Leader [04:15] is Robin Williams from The Birdcage Gay or Nathan Lane from The Birdcage Gay? Oh, wow. Or Scott Bezze Gay or Lindsey Graham Gay? [04:23] He's more Lindsey Graham gay than anything, if Lindsey Graham is gay, which we can't know for sure. Which we can't know for sure. But we could ask Trump. Maybe he'll call us that. We could ask Trump. We could ask Trump. [04:31] All right, let's get to the news. Roughly 36 hours after Trump threatened to obliterate Iran's power plants unless they reopened the Strait of Hormuz, which caused oil prices to soar, as Iran threatened to retaliate by destroying energy, water, and communications infrastructure across the Middle East, the president backed down just in time for markets to open, claiming that negotiations to end the war are underway, which Iran said isn't true at all. Here's Trump talking to reporters about this Monday morning.

[04:59] Tomorrow morning, sometime their time, we were expected to blow up their largest electric generating plants that cost over $10 billion to build. One shot, it's gone. It collapses. Why would they want that? So they called. I didn't call. They called. They want to make a deal. We're doing a five-day period. We'll see how that goes. And if it goes well, we're going to end up with settling this. [05:29] We just keep bombing our little hearts. You said there's many points of agreement with Iran right now. What can you give us? Many, like 15 points. 15 points. They're not going to have a nuclear weapon. That's number one. That's number one, two, and three. They will never have a nuclear weapon. They've agreed to that. Who's going to be in control of that? That'll be opened very soon, if this works. How soon? And who's in control of it? Will Iran still be able to control the flow of oil? Be jointly controlled. [05:59] like who maybe me maybe me and the ayatollah whoever the ayatollah is whoever the next me and ayatollah tbd they're calling it the tehran taco guys are they calling it that no no i hope not i bet they are yes someone is somewhere i realize the uh simplest answer here is nobody knows because the president has undiagnosed mental disorders but um what do you guys think

[06:29] Trump threatening an escalation that would likely constitute a war crime just on Saturday night to a seemingly fabricated story about a possible deal to end the war. [06:40] Tommy? Yeah, we went from zero enrichment, regime change, to... [06:46] Joint custody of the Strait of Hormuz? Is that where we're at? Maybe Marco will be the chairman of the Strait of Hormuz. He's the bridge. He's the troll that sits and collects the toll at the Strait of Hormuz. That's a good Pete Hex. He does a rhyme scheme. In between, the price of oil exploded. The stock market fell way off its highs. I think Trump woke up Monday morning. He saw the Asian and European markets way down. S&P futures were way down and decided to set up the old Taco Bell signal. [07:16] And it's predictable, right? I mean, we know Trump cares about two things. It's TV coverage and bad moves in the stock market. And the only criticism he probably gets in person, at least, is from billionaires and CEOs and bankers who can afford to go to his country clubs who will see him and be like, I'm worth a billion less than I was yesterday, sir. [07:46] And so this will get him through the short term, longer term. I don't believe a word he said in that clip. Like the Iranians know they have leverage. They're going to use it because they don't want to wake up in six months with the Israelis, once again, bombing them, bombing, going for regime change, trying to kill off their leaders. Iran has denied that there have been substantive talks. And I've also seen a list of demands from Iran that could include a simultaneous ceasefire in Iran, Lebanon and Iraq. Iran continuing its missile program. Iran codifying its right to nuclear enrichment.

[08:16] Iran getting payments for damages in the war. Reparations. Reparations. And then some sort of de facto... [08:21] and recognition of their control of the strait, which Trump kind of preemptively grants there. So I don't know, man. J.D. Vance, maybe he's going to lead these talks. I think that'd be a good thing. Like we should get Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner away from these talks because they're morons. But also the U.S. Marine contingent gets there on Friday. So yeah, I see about that. I have a question because I read some reports that they're all headed to Islamabad and in Pakistan for talks. [08:51] of the Iranian parliament there. I saw a Pakistani official said this to Reuters too. But like, question about this, if you're the speaker of parliament in Iran and you're probably next on the Israelis list for targeted assassination, you're just popping your head up now, hopping on a plane and going to Islamabad? Is that something that you think the... Probably safer out of the country than in. You know, there's moments when Trump was asked who exactly he is negotiating with. It's actually very similar geometrically [09:21] when he was asked which ex-president he was talking to and then didn't want to say, and then they all denied it. So Iran's saying these talks aren't happening, Trump's saying they are, but he won't say with who. Why? Because he suggests if he says who, [09:32] the U.S. is talking to, Israel might kill them, which also gives you a little bit of a concern about what the negotiating posture can be about promising an end to the conflict when you can't promise that your chief ally won't step in and escalate when you choose not to. But this is, I mean, I'm like kind of joking, but like also they have killed a bunch of top Iranian officials now, assassinated them. Every time the Iranians have negotiated, we have bombed

[10:02] Why do you try to negotiate at all at this point? They were complying with the JCPOA, the Iran nuclear agreement, when Trump pulled out of it in 2018. Then the U.S. and Iran were negotiating when the Israelis started the 12-day war. And then we were negotiating again. Apparently, the last round of talks before the most recent war was the most productive yet. Then we bombed them. And then Trump in the press has bragged about how we use talks as subterfuge to trick the Iranians. So now the Iranians are not dumb. They know that there's 7,500-plus Marines. [10:32] heading to the Middle East right now. And look, I mean, the Israelis have killed a lot of people who have been interlocutors in talks. They can kill the Speaker of Parliament. The power structure in Iran is the IRGC. It's the military. And so that's who's going to be calling the shots here. And so I just... [10:50] I don't know. Trump could be like, oh, I have a secret source like Dulce Rodriguez of Iran. I just don't buy it. [10:56] Yeah, I saw that a bunch of Trump officials just told Politico, too. They're doing the Delce Rodriguez thing again with the Speaker of Parliament. They're like, this is what he's looking for. And one official said that the Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, he's a hot option right now. That's the quote. He's a hot option. What does that mean? People are talking about him a lot. They think he's someone that they can deal with. He's a hot option, but they got to test him out. [11:17] They've got to test him out first. That's what they said. Is he hot? Should we look? We're not at that part of the show yet. Don't skip ahead to our hot candidate section. Hot Iranian? Hot Iranian section, yeah. The administration has gotten several Iranian generals up to like 3,000 or 4,000 degrees. Jesus Christ.

[11:34] Tough. So there's that. I do think that the trouble for Trump here is that like taco speak aside, like he doesn't just get to cancel the war like he canceled some of his tariffs. Like like the Iranians and the Israelis kind of can do whatever they want and keep this thing going in a way that really wreaks havoc on the global economy and our own for as long as they want. [11:57] Yes. Look, what an extraordinary... [12:01] A couple of weeks this has been. First, a war launched without Congress, without clear goals, goals that evolved over the basically over the course of that weekend. They didn't really land on if there's one set of goals that kind of landed on repeatedly. It's the Rubio version, which is no nuclear capabilities to destroy the Navy, etc. [12:31] joined the fight after the fight had already begun. And they said, no, thank you. We'll continue to not be part of this war we weren't consulted on and want nothing to do with, especially after you've been bullying us for a year. And then Trump said, actually, we don't need you because it's going so well. And then he saw the markets tank and is now trying to end it this way. And yeah, he's not in control of events and he wants to be in control of events. But really, there's no, [13:01] Ironically, a place where there's not much nuance, either the straight of hormones is open or it's not. If it's not, you have a huge set of knock on consequences that Trump is not able to solve.

[13:09] He has to get it open. Iran has a say in whether or not it's open. And that's what puts him in this position. And you can kill a bunch of leaders over and over and create opportunities for promotion, but it doesn't deal with the underlying problem. [13:21] Yeah, look, I want this war over today, and if not today, tomorrow. I think that's the best outcome, the sooner the better. But we should just be clear, if the war ends today, it is a failure. We lost. Like the 900 pounds of highly enriched uranium still sitting in Iran. The regime is still in place. In fact, their position is hardened because we replaced an 86-year-old named Khamenei with a 50-something-year-old named Khamenei, who is apparently much more angry at us because Trump killed his dad, his wife, his kid, and some others. [13:51] and create power vacuums that are not made by the United States. He was going to regime change himself, and then maybe the protesters who were out in the streets in December and January could have helped exercise a better option. And then Iran has now fully realized its economic leverage through the Strait of Hormuz, [14:05] And it sounds like they intend to continue to exercise that leverage. Why wouldn't they? Why not? Trump was also asked about his decision to lift sanctions on 140 million barrels of Iranian oil that's already sitting at sea, which could be worth about $14 billion to the Iranians. The move was intended to ease what has now become a global crisis that the head of the International Energy Agency said is worse than the 1973 and 1979 oil shocks combined.

[14:35] a battle for Hormuz that will likely involve the 2,500 Marines headed towards the Middle East right now, though there doesn't seem to be much clarity on what that would entail, at least based on what various officials are saying in public. Here's soybean farmer Scott Besant and horny warmonger Lindsey Graham on the Sunday shows. [14:53] Is the president in the process of winding down this war or escalating the conflict? Again, they're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate to de-escalate. The sanctions were in place to prevent Iran from getting any of the money. They will have access to some of the money now. Again, Kristen, you're missing the point. In essence... [15:12] we are jujitsu-ing the Iranians. We're using their own oil against them. Here's what I tell President Trump, keep it up for a few more weeks, take Kargisland. We did Iwo Jima. [15:25] We can do this. [15:26] They're really sending their best. I guess we're funding both sides of this war now. [15:31] $14 billion for the Iranians? I don't totally understand how this brings in the art of jiu-jitsu and who's doing jiu-jitsu. I don't even understand what the – is it that – Or even the type of speech that he was referring – he was jiu-jitsu-ing them with their own oil. I guess it's that the idea being that if you remove the sanctions, you lower the price of oil and therefore lower the amount of money Iran gets. But Iran was currently getting $0.

[16:01] I haven't done math professionally in a while, but $14 billion is more than $0. And the pallets of cash that Obama gave Iran in the nuclear deal, that was, what, $1.5 billion altogether? And it was just their own assets unfrozen? Yeah, the pallets of cash was $400 million. It was part of a bigger settlement. It dated back to the 1970s. It was the Carter administration. There was an arms deal with the Shah of Iran that obviously ended when the Iranian revolution happened. [16:31] various courts and we had to pay them back and that's how it ended up doing it and that became like the biggest deal ever donald trump talks about too and say but yeah that um that pissy cadaver they put out fucking on the sunday shows scott besin he had a tough tough interview yeah because he's suggesting that giving around 14 billion that they can use to fund a war against us or new nuclear infrastructure or more weapons for hezbollah or the houthis is jujitsu which i would disagree with he gets very angry at kristin welker for suggesting we should talk about how to [17:01] as they're primed to request $200 billion in funding. So, like, everything about his interview there, he was fucking terrible. [17:08] That just seems like a lot of money. [17:12] Also, I don't know if you saw that when they were talking about the Iranians want reparations as part of any negotiation to end the war. Trump official was like, well, obviously, we're not going to give them reparations. But maybe we can just unfree some of their assets. And it just depends on what we call it. I'm like, oh. Sanctually? So you might unfree some of their assets and then say that, oh, interesting. For a nuclear deal. For a nuclear deal. But it's different when Trump does it.

[17:36] It's different when Trump does it. Trump's giving them even more money. [17:40] I don't know who is receiving less... [17:43] genuine feedback more donald trump or lindsey graham at this point he's out there frothing at the mouth comparing carg island to fucking iwo jima are you out of your mind about 7 000 americans at iwo jima 20 000 wounded oh i are you saying what your goal is to have one of the great battles of fucking world war ii in the middle east right now like that's your goal that's what you think we should be that's the that's the good analogy here yeah we're just gonna well we got to give them first we got to give them the let them sell the royal so they can make 14 billion dollars so [18:13] against the invasion that we're about to launch for what? For oil, for more oil to sell, I guess. I'm so, look, I think. So then we can sanction it again? I don't know. Who knows? I'm still, you know, I still want to take the over on corruption being the way out of this thing. Got Witkoff and Kushner. They can make some kind of a deal. Suddenly the Stradivist is open and everybody's making money. [18:43] towards some kind of a deal. It's not impossible to imagine we live in that world. Suddenly you can play 18 holes on Karg Island. Yeah. It's beautiful. [18:52] Genuinely, the Strait of Hormuz is beautiful. It actually is. Go look at pictures. Go look at pictures of Strait of Hormuz. It's beautiful mountains. Have you been? Did you read? You were in the Strait of Hormuz in March. I did some reporting over the weekend. You're never going to want to come back. By the way, two weeks ago, Megyn Kelly was saying, Lindsey Graham is a homicidal maniac with a bloodlust that is insatiable. That was before that interview.

[19:11] It doesn't seem like it's been satiated at all. Not satiated. Shout out to representation, though. Look at this administration. Scott Besson out there. Lindsey Graham out there. Huh? Yeah. Marsha P. Johnson threw that brick. And here we are all these years later. It's a beautiful thing. Why do you think? This brings up a good question. [19:30] Why do they only have besant... [19:33] Like you said, the Treasury secretaries out there on the Sunday shows. They got Graham out there. Hegseth doing his briefings. They're all selling the war. Like, you know, is the White House really sending their best? Where's Marco? Where's J.D.? No, I mean, I do think Besson is out there purely to talk to the markets because they were freaking out. And it's just like his lack of answers is just a sign of how poorly they plan. Like I read over the weekend that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was only 60 percent full at the start of the war. [20:03] quick and over by now um i but i heard from somebody over the weekend that um trump is basically the only one who likes pete hexath anymore and everyone else thinks he's a clown and an idiot and that he sucks on tv and that he's doing badly at the job so they're like happy to throw him to the wolves that's awesome and have him just kind of own this policy um and it sounds like trump's kind of there too right you heard him monday of the policy was like pete you're the one who told me to do this war pete i think you were the first one to speak up and you said let's do it

[20:33] That's actually, to me, the most revealing and chilling thing I've learned in quite some time about the way this decision was made. [20:40] The first person to chime in [20:42] To say we should do this is Pete Hegseth. And we were off to the races from there. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're counting like U.S. officials, I'm sure it would be. I think we got BB. Well, probably inside the administration is Hegseth. And then you got Lindsey Graham. And then you got Netanyahu. It's like those are the big warmongers. I think over the course of the first four years and then the first, you know, 100 days of the Trump administration 2.0, a lot of people try to talk Trump into going to war with Iran. And he waved them off or he got waved off it. [21:12] and was like, we're invincible, we can do anything, and here we are. And so, look, I've watched all these Hegseth briefings. He's actively harmful. He's like reading war crime limericks, and then poor Dan Kane, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, is like, let me try to be a fucking adult here. Admiral Cooper from the CENTCOM is pretty good. But Rubio and Vance are in witness protection. Remember Marco Rubio after Venezuela? [21:34] He did meet the press. He was doing press conferences. He was everywhere. [21:38] Have you guys seen him on TV? He popped up to say Israel made us do it, and then we haven't heard from him since. And then J.D. Vance just sort of runs around trying to talk about anything else. And then when anyone asked him about the war, he was like, I'd go to jail if I told you about the classified info, the advice that I gave the president about this war. There is one more person I saw reported over the weekend that convinced Trump this was a good idea. Rupert Murdoch.

[22:04] Bloomberg reported tracks with. Yeah, it totally tracks that you've got Netanyahu, Murdoch, Lindsey Graham and Pete Hegseth. That's that seems like the right crew for this. Speaking of Anson Rubio, this is sort of a non sequitur, but I just thought you guys would like this. You see the St. Anselm poll from New Hampshire that just came out. They started doing 28 primaries on the Republican side. So they did their last one in October. [22:27] Since then, Vance is at 46, but he's down 11 from October. Faves? No, no. This is the horse race on the Republican side. 46? 46%. He's down 11 because you know who's at 27, Marco Rubio, up 18 points. That makes me happy. And then DeSantis is at five. Fight it out, boy. DeSantis. Down two from the October poll, and everyone else is in single digits. But that is interesting that the Vance and Rubio have switched a little bit. [22:56] our tax dollars to fund this war. We've talked about why this should be an easy no vote for Democrats. Now it seems like some Republicans are also balking at the price tag. Senator John Kennedy says he won't vote for any amount of funding until Congress holds hearings on the war. Tom Tillis said that a $200 billion request would need to pass the Senate with 60 votes. And over in the House, Lauren Boebert said last week she's already a no on any additional war [23:26] Various pundits keep saying that Republican voters are fully behind this war. You think these Republicans in Congress are finally reading some of the same polling we are?

[23:36] I just – [23:37] I was struck by the Boebert statement. [23:39] Because she said, I will not vote for a war supplemental. No, I am a no. I have already told leadership I am a no on any war supplementals. I am so tired of spending money elsewhere. I'm tired of the industrial war complex getting all of our hard-earned tax dollars. [23:51] And I was like seeing that was like, wow, that is better than a lot of Democrats have been able to come out with and say clearly that there are no any supplement is all these Democrats seem to be playing a hand to tour. Got it. But all these Democrats that are talking themselves into believing that this is a nuanced situation or it's complicated or that you're not supporting the troops. Lauren Boebert managed to find her way to a statement that I agree with. I'm wondering why it's so hard for some of these other Democrats to do the same. But I didn't mean to take your question about Republicans and turn it to to Democrats. [24:21] It sounded like authentic and emotional and real. It was a good answer. I mean, why don't we just drop it in right here? I will not vote for a war supplemental. No, I am a no. I've already told leadership. I am a no on any war supplementals. I am so tired. [24:34] of spending money elsewhere. I am tired of the industrial war complex getting all of our hard-earned tax dollars. I have folks in Colorado who can't afford to live. [24:44] we need America first policies right now and that [24:48] I'm not doing that.

[25:18] Voters do not want to spend $200 billion to drop bombs on Iran. There was some recent polling about funding. 56% of voters oppose more funding for the war. 41% strongly oppose versus only 15% who strongly support. 61% of independents oppose more funding. And then CBS, in their poll, 60% disapprove of the Iran war. 67% of Americans say we should not be willing to pay more for gas during the Iran war. So people are not feeling the time for collective sacrifice message. [25:47] Also, that CBS poll, like, you know, they had recently polled on March 3rd, so just a couple of weeks ago. War approval was 44.56. Then now it's 40.60. Also, it mirrors Trump's approval and disapproval. Now Trump's drop approval in that poll was 40. Disapproval 60. The argument just also released a poll as well that has very similar numbers to the CBS poll and all the other polls. But they also did a generic ballot test for the midterm. [26:17] definitely vote likely voters 55 45 that's 10 points that would be larger than um the the vote in in 2018 [26:25] The Pentagon budget's already over a trillion dollars. Stories recently about at the end of the last fiscal year, they were racing to spend what money they had because it was more than they knew what to do with, including buying grand pianos and Herman Miller chairs for people. You also have Sean Duffy out there. We're going to talk about what's happening at security at the airports. He had a collision at LaGuardia of FAA problems all across the country.

[26:55] that money through Congress, but Trump's going to get $200 billion to pay for his war, basically to legalize it and authorize it after the fact. What are we doing here? [27:06] Yeah, there are already I was thinking they would do this last week and I think Besson started it over the weekend. And then Trump today was talking about it, too, which is like, oh, you know, we need the 200 billion to sort of backfill for all the munitions that we've already used and for future threats. And we always need the money for our defense. And they're going to try to decouple this 200 billion dollar war funding request from the war that they're asking. The idea that that that this several weeks. [27:34] requires [27:35] Basically upping the Pentagon budget by 20%. It's outrageous. It's outrageous. Yeah. And the thing you mentioned a minute ago that the administration will try to argue that this funding request vote is de facto congressional authorization of the war. And everyone should just know that that is how your vote will be viewed by history. [28:05] Like, you know, you will be seen as voting for the war and for the funding. Fucking vote against it. I will say hearing Lauren Boebert say that, knowing that there are other Republicans who are going to be no's on this, like I now feel more confident that Democrats are going to vote the right way, even if some of them at the very beginning of this process were thinking of maybe supporting it. Like, I don't know. I mean, explaining your vote is tough enough for like a 200 billion dollar war funding request for a war that's not going well that no one asked for.

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[31:26] If you're traveling in America anytime soon, here are a few fun developments you should probably be aware of. One, flights are much more expensive because the war in Iran has spiked fuel prices to obscene levels. So your ticket's going to cost a lot more. Number two, you might end up waiting in the airport security line for more than four hours because Trump is now refusing to pay TSA agents unless Congress passes a bill that would require showing a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. [31:55] line, you may see armed ICE agents in full tactical gear milling about the airport, looking for something to do or someone to arrest. This last stroke of genius came from the president himself, who couldn't stop bragging about it to reporters on Monday. [32:25] My idea, they're able to now arrest illegals as they come into the country. That's very fertile territory. Now, you know, I'm a big believer that they should be able to wear a mask when they go and hunt down, you know, murderers, criminals and others. But for purposes of the airport, I've requested that they take off the mask. I don't like it for the airport. Wear a mask, not at the airport, but they need to do it when they're out in the country. [32:55] dealers, etc. There may be a few of them, but there are many. But they are coming in illegally because that is the easiest way for people to come in illegally to the country is to just book a plane ticket, show up at the airport. In his brain in there is some sort of a fact about how

[33:13] This one criticism of his border policy is that a lot of people who come in through the country illegally are people who overstay their visas after coming through. [33:19] flying illegally. Right. You have to stay a while skipping the overstaying for sure. No, I'm not saying it's a smart point that he's making. So backstory here is that Democrats have been trying to fully fund TSA and all non-immigration parts of DHS for a week now, over a week now. Senate Republicans initially said no, they were blocking these bills. But then over the weekend, John Thune reportedly called Trump and said, you know, Republicans are ready to join [33:49] except for ICE. And then Thune said maybe that just Republicans would try to fund ICE with like a party line reconciliation vote or something. You know, let's end this crisis. The airport lines are getting long, whatever. Trump says no to John Thune. He says that he will keep TSA and all of DHS closed unless Democrats pass the SAVE Act and that he's deploying ICE agents to the airports. This seems like both a terrible idea and terrible politics. What do you guys think? [34:19] Did you guys hear the the backstory, the CNN report on the backstory of the ice agents thing? Apparently it was it was literally a random woman, a radio caller named Linda from Arizona. The idea to Clay Travis on his radio show Friday, then Clay went on Fox News to talk about it. [34:35] Trump must have seen that because he then announced his plan the next day. [34:39] So that's inventing the paperclip. And now we have ICE agents just milling about the airport. The lines today are still just as long as they were. Why? Because they're not trained to be TSA agents. And so they're just walking. You see these AP photos of them just like sitting there looking with like nothing to do. Yeah, they're just there.

[34:58] preventing the floors from flying up and hitting the ceilings. The, the, [35:02] This is sort of like we're at this place where, oh, no, no, no, don't do that. It's too stupid. [35:08] That's too stupid of a thing to think would help. They are not trained. They're not going to be able to do anything at the airport. They don't know how to use the machines. They haven't taken the training to scan what's in the documents. They don't even know how to read, do the ID machine. Those machines seem complicated to me. They probably have to learn something for a while. They're just going to end up standing there. So we shouldn't do that. That's too stupid. But nobody... [35:26] He's going to tell this guy, no, no, it's like, oh, great idea, sir. Great idea, Mr. President. They're on their way. You say it's Sunday. We'll have them out. We'll have them out there at the airports by Monday doing what it doesn't matter. It's what you wanted. And it's an image of the ICE agents there. And that's cool. You're doing something. It's to own the libs. [35:43] Basically, Trump said Trump said it drives Democrats crazy. That's what Jim Comer said, Republican in the House on the Sunday shows, too. This is like a line that we're hearing now that it's we're driving the Democrats crazy. Having the ICE agents there. It's like rather they'd be in airports than like terrorizing communities. It's like there's not going to be no harm. But like, yeah, no, it's like let's get them doing all kinds of tasks unrelated to their duties. So clean up, whatever you want. So Democrats have been demanding to take ICE agents off the streets and to take their masks off. [36:13] It's just like, dude, are we getting Starbucks at LaGuardia now? Yeah, it's like, okay. Do a donut run for the TSA, guys. Like, I have a great, like, stand there. Fucking, what are we doing here? The other, like, we're in this, like, purely symbolic fight, too. Because what was, before Trump added on top of it, and we got to do Save Act, and the trans people can't do sports if I'm not going to reopen the government. What was happening? Mutalization. What was actually happening? The DHS was shut down, right? But the reason Trump can deploy ICE is because ICE has this other pool of funding, a $75 to $80 billion pool of funding.

[36:43] going to run off of, right? So this is a symbolic effort to say we're not sending any more money to ICE. That's why the government's shutting down. Then the negotiations are, we'll open everything up but ICE, right? Even that will have no impact actually on ICE. Democrats came out in favor of that. Republicans are in favor of that. Trump doesn't want to do that. He wants to add all these things on top of it. Ironically, right, like any resolution that would have a positive impact on what ICE is able to do or not to would be the result of even more concessions on both sides [37:13] The only way to actually limit what ICE will do in the next few years is through a negotiation. That's not about not funding ICE. That's actually about getting to funding ICE, which is so far from where we're at right now, because we're having this sort of purely symbolic conversation about ICE in the airports and whether or not we'll let TSA agents get paid. [37:43] saying he would just fund TSA like I love to travel exactly to cruise out there and then um and then Trump's like no you got to pass the SAVE Act which the Republicans John Thune in response told a reporter it's just not real he's like look we all like the SAVE Act because they're all supposed to say that even though some of them probably don't want to pass the SAVE Act because again it would um probably prevent a lot of Republican voters from registering to vote but but he said it's not realistic to tie the SAVE Act to this funding battle and you actually see

[38:13] of the Ohio senators say this, Ted Cruz is saying it. So like, I'm actually surprised, pleasantly so that some Republicans are like, okay, this idea from Trump, a little crazy. [38:24] But I don't know. I don't know if it goes anywhere. I just keep thinking back to the Politico story from January about how Donald Trump's going to travel the country weekly ahead of the midterms touting for the message. Now we're like debating whether or not we're going to co-own the Strait of Hormuz with the Iranians and have ICE agents in the airport. Like they're so. $500 extra dollars to fly to Cincinnati and you're going to wait for three hours at the airport. Welcome to the golden age. Did you guys watch the Tennessee thing today? [38:54] beginning it was like a cabinet meeting in that like there were all these staffers just kind of doing their ritualistic dick sucking and like at one point i forget who it was it was um it was steven miller like really went to town and trump was like well i don't know if you can top that cash and then cash patel was up and he did his little you know glazing session it was it's just terrible trump said that tommy prefers an ad hoc blowjob as opposed to the more ritualistic and official time i mean he likes it off the books blowjob [39:24] that the Senate should kill the filibuster to pass the SAVE Act. They should cancel their Easter recess if necessary because this one's for Jesus to pass the SAVE Act. Have you heard the good news? This one's for Jesus. Pass the SAVE Act. This filibuster is for you, Jesus. Did he actually say this one's for Jesus? Yeah, he said do it for Jesus. Do it for Jesus. Mm-hmm. [39:42] Jesus would want you to present your passport or birth certificate to your local election office in order to register to vote by these midterms, which, again, is something that would probably disenfranchise not just Democratic voters, but plenty of Republican voters, which is probably why most Republicans in Congress don't really care that much about passing it. So that's where we are. I don't know how – Trump's just going to have to back down on this one because there's going to be pressure at the airports. The lines are going to be crazy. He doesn't have the Republicans in the Senate with him. I think he caves.

[40:12] Like... [40:14] Look, like IRGC guys are doing TSA security work. Yeah, look, I was talking to the Ayatollah. They got some great ideas for what we can do to get these airports running more smoothly. [40:24] There's some security guys they can loan us. [40:27] I'm fucking believable. Well, we're a revolutionary guy. And honestly, I think we'd all make sure there's no liquids in our backpacks. Yeah, I would do what they said. The welcome message goes from Kristi Noem at the airports to the new the speaker of the Iranian parliament. Yeah. Hot option. [40:57] him. We talked about John Fetterman voting yes. And as of Sunday, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico said he's voting yes. He said Mullen is a friend and will stand up to bullying by Stephen Miller. Heinrich also noted that in Mullen's confirmation hearing, he, quote, recognized the necessity of judicial warrants, which also supports reporting from The New York Times over the weekend that before his nomination, Mullen had been working behind the scenes with Democratic Congressman Josh Gottheimer to hash out a compromise on reopening DHS that included requiring judicial [41:27] in most cases. I'm wondering what you guys make of Mullen's relatively easy path to confirmation. Not just the yes votes from Fetterman and Heinrich, but just not a lot of intense opposition from the Democrats. Seems to be based partly on a belief that DHS will be slightly less chaotic and more humane under Mullen's leadership than it was under Noam and Lewandowski. What do you guys think? Yeah, the Heinrich statement has a real kind of bros before hoes energy to it.

[41:57] to assume [41:58] Right. Mullen's getting through with Republican votes because Rand Paul was the only no. His vote mattered on the committee. Fetterman helped him get out of the committee, but he would have had the votes to get through. So I suppose the argument would be giving him a yes creates a relationship in which you have kind of. [42:15] a better opportunity to put pressure on and have to have real conversations with someone you worked with closely. But that also, I think works so well with Rubio. I was about to say, it depends on sort of ignoring what the actual reality is of the Trump administration and what happens once people are in there and the pressure they're under, because whatever relationship you had before, they become, no matter what they're saying behind the scenes, beholden to Stephen Miller and Donald Trump, the inability to be publicly critical of them, the inability to defy them and all the consequences. [42:45] And so you have people that have expressed their regrets about voting for Gnome, and you have people that have expressed their regrets about voting for Rubio, yet not learning that lesson from their colleagues when they decide they're going to vote for this guy. So I think not holding the line against these people is always something people regret. Yeah, the consensus is that Kristi Gnome was a disaster, and I think there's kind of an anybody but her vibe, even with Republicans. Also, senators tend to kind of coast through in these settings, so we'll see. [43:15] He does. Mark Wayne Mullen does sound like he was genuinely willing to be more moderate than the Trump administration on judicial warrants. And also, it sounds like he has some genuinely good relationships, which is surprising because he did try to beat up. Yeah. From the Teamsters at a hearing one time. But now that guy from the Teamsters is sitting behind him at his confirmation hearing because they're boys. Also, you know, also there Josh Gottheimer. Yeah. Democrat, New Jersey. And so he like this sounds ridiculous, but he runs a popular workout group for he does.

[43:45] Members of Congress and senators, yeah. He's teaching a Pilates class. I've heard members talk about this and that it's really good. Exhale through the drive phase. That's a reference. Don't even worry about it. [43:58] Just for the three of us. Literally no one else. That's right. Christy W. [44:05] There's some personal politics here. You're right, though. He's going to be a disaster. Yeah, he's going to be a disaster, but he's spotted them. He's helped them really kind of crush their lats. [44:13] and their delts. It's not even a personality thing why he could be a descendant. [44:18] When he's at DHS, there's one way to lose his job, and it's by pissing off Stephen Miller and Donald Trump. And the senators can't hurt him anymore once he's at DHS. Right now, they can. They can cost him the nomination, right? But once he gets there, it doesn't really matter. But look, I think if you wanted to make the better argument for why you don't put up a fight is you can only fight so many things. He has the Republican votes anyway. And so what are you going to do? It seemed impossible to strike down this nomination. [44:48] The more important thing is in these negotiations to reopen DHS and as Mullen's getting confirmed, you try to codify the rules about a judicial warrant or all this other stuff, which is the reason that the Democrats tried to use DHS funding as leverage in the first place. As you mentioned, now we've come so far afield that we've got ICE agents running around the airports. Speaking of Lewandowski, Dan and I briefly mentioned the NBC story about him openly demanding bribes from a private prison company.

[45:18] also published a big investigation into Lewandowski's time at the department that is just full of enraging details. On Monday, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee launched an investigation into the bribery allegations. What do you guys think? Good use of time and energy if Dems get the House back? [45:32] Yes, the shocking brazen corruption scheme where people are either obliquely or directly suggesting that if you want a government contract, [45:41] Corey Lewandowski has to get his beak wet. They all deny it, but they have a lot of sources, including sources at the White House, that are validating this story. I don't remember if it was NBC or in the Times, but I thought one telling point was people inside the White House or inside the administration, considering whether or not to do an investigation or take some kind of action, are worried that if they do, Trump will... [46:04] publicly come out in defense of Lewandowski. This was my concern that I expressed on Friday's pod. It's crazy. You know, I was like, let's not, maybe let's not talk about it until after Trump leaves office. If we're going to go after Lewandowski, maybe everyone should just quiet down until he can't pardon him anymore. Right. The pardons loom over the whole thing. And then there's the fact that [46:24] Lewandowski seemed to be getting the presidential daily brief. That is absolutely nuts. That blew my mind. He's basically a volunteer government employee getting the PDB. He's not a full-time employee, and he's getting the PDB, and he's holding meetings in Kristi Noem's office when she's not around. In other places. Doing a lot of things in her office when she's around. I think go after him. Whether or not we're able to prosecute this guy, I don't know. Maybe there'll be a state charge we can go after. But put a fucking head on the pike, man. Do some oversight. Try to scare some other people out of doing this shit.

[46:54] We've talked about a lot of newfangled corruption here. [46:56] The Emiratis buying your barely existing crypto company or selling some Melania shitcoin to somebody for polymarkets. The Qataris giving you a jet? The jet. Didn't get the return on that investment, did they? No, they did not. They could have used that jet to evacuate. Use the jet. Make sure everything goes our way. Heads up, by the way. Yeah, we'll send some caulk over to fix the fucking Rosewood Qatar. [47:26] get a fucking refund on that i got some i got some good guys for countertops to fix the fairmont unbelievable the lewandowski stuff it's such old school corruption like i need to kick back i need to be a special advisor on the contract for this like fuck that you know when trump white house officials are going on background to nbc and being like this was brazen and crazy we didn't like that for sure and even trump is apparently annoyed with lewandowski yes which maybe he won't give him the pardon that that's why it's like let's not assume he's going to pardon everybody like [47:56] make him do it. Oh, yeah. I think you're right. If he does pardon me, he pardons him. But we have to live. That's a concession to him before we've even begun. You've got to go into it. Get the documents. [48:15] This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, depression, conflict in relationships, or simply need an impartial third party to help you deal with daily stress, [48:24] BetterHelp is there to connect you with the support you need. I want my...

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[50:00] So Murphy then says, actually, that's misremembering what the conversation was. [50:05] is while there are people that are frustrated, Schumer has supported the caucus, and I support Schumer. There's something... Elizabeth Warren was less so. Less so, no, for sure. She was like, I'm not going to say whether I support him or not. I'm not a fan. I got to the end of it, right? And I think... [50:22] The idea that he's supporting more centrist candidates, I do think, is like a new... [50:26] line of criticism or newer than some of the others. But the rest go back to the shutdown and his ability to communicate. And what I can tell is, according to people that have a problem with Chuck Schumer, [50:37] Would a different leader produce different outcomes or would a different leader be a better communicator about the same outcomes? And I think the inability to like kind of clearly answer that question is why whatever... [50:47] friction there is or desire for a new leader culminates in just people bitching in a signal group chat. Yeah, there's like the inside game and the outside game, right? Like the inside stuff, we don't really see. It's like... [50:58] how he keeps... [51:00] members on sides and organizes things and deals with the caucus. There are Democrats, there are senators who we like and respect who will call you after this episode probably and say, Chuck's really good at that stuff. The outside stuff, we see the media, the candidate recruitment, the fundraising. Clearly, Chuck Schumer is not the best messenger. I think he would concede that. And he's tried to put forward other younger leaders, but that kind of leads to the question, well, why not just have one of them be the leader, right? The fundraising is clearly off.

[51:30] is a thing that's bothered a lot of people because it feels like he's thumbing the scale in ways in states that is unnecessary, if not antagonistic to voters, like let those voters in those states decide. And it makes you wonder if this is about who can really win in these states or who will endorse Chuck Schumer as leader in these states if they win, because a lot of the new members are not doing that. And so there's also the basic like gerontocracy issues, like the guy's really old. [52:00] And Chuck Schumer famously, right, drove to Delaware, told Joe Biden to drop out. H was the reason behind that. But he's not willing to look in the mirror there. And like, I do think you're right, though. The counter argument is people are really mad about Donald Trump. They want someone to blame. So you blame the leaders we have. But that doesn't necessarily take into account their actual capacity to stop Donald Trump when he has a trifecta. Could someone do more with the same cards? I don't know. [52:25] To me, there's... [52:26] Boils down to one question, which is like, I do not expect anyone to oust Chuck Schumer between now and November, nor do I think I was doing Chuck Schumer between now and November would lead to any kind of. [52:39] appreciable difference in any of the outcomes for Democrats. I do think, and I remember having this conversation with Dan on some pod, probably many times, like if, you know, if the Democrats don't take back the Senate, then you almost expect Democrats to have a new leader, right? Between 26 and 28. But he was like, Dan said, oh, but if we win, if Democrats somehow win the Senate,

[53:09] potentially retires in 28 or something else. That, I think, is worth a serious conversation about even if Senate Democrats, even if Democrats win the Senate, is Chuck Schumer really the guy that you want to be leader between the midterms and the presidential? Because I think that is a perfect time for a new leader. And you don't have to go back and debate whether you could have had this outcome or that outcome [53:39] All I have to say is, look, we are heading towards 28 is the most important thing to elect a Democratic president. We need our best messengers out there as leaders. And Chuck Schumer is getting up there. And do we really need two more years, let alone six more years of Chuck Schumer as Democratic leader at that point? Yeah, I think it's a no brainer. We do not want to go into... [53:59] the most important presidential election since the last one with a leader that represents, we need to be representing change. He will not represent change. Ironically, though, I think it's Democratic Senate candidates in at least 13 states have either come out against Chuck Schumer or refused to endorse Schumer. The more successful we are in these midterms, the more people that will be in the Senate that have either explicitly said they will not support him or even under pressure, knowing that they want Schumer support, people like Tal Rico have refused to say they [54:29] would endorse him now i think at a certain point you want people that are willing to say no i'm not going to be for chuck schumer we need somebody different just because that's the kind of like i don't know want people that are already worrying about how to kind of keep everybody on side but

[54:41] At the very least, he has a huge problem in success or failure. And look, I think that the complaints about the recruitment, you know, goes both ways. Like I think Chuck Schumer getting Roy Cooper to run in North Carolina when maybe he didn't want to at first was like a big win. Getting Mary Peltola in Alaska to run. Great. Now, if he wanted to recruit. [55:01] Haley Stevens in Michigan and Janet Mills in Maine. Like, that's fine. It's not the recruitment necessarily. It's the... [55:07] putting your thumb on the scales, which he may not be explicitly, but certainly for Mills. Janet Mills, like, like, yeah, I think actually recruiting Janet Mills is great and a coup for him and credit to him. But yeah, they formed a joint fundraising committee with the DSCC. And Haley Stevens is similar. Like, I think there's a lot of good candidates in that field. It is not clear to me that she is the strongest candidate by any means, but I'm almost positive [55:37] included her or her campaign and you just have to wonder why and i will say that this is not i mean chuck schumer it gets a lot of the blame for this but you know you uh you wait into the uh the online wars and there's a lot of democratic strategists out there who just us we're just assuming assuming that mills and and stevens are the most electable candidates and the strongest candidates in those races and it's like not even a question to them and i'm like really are you that sure yeah and that's my take like everyone's gonna be like oh you guys are you know endorsing [56:07] No, like we're saying, let the voters of Maine vote. Let people in Michigan vote. That will help us determine who the strongest candidate is. If you can't win the primary, you're probably not the strongest candidate.

[56:37] the ballot. [56:38] uh she has a bunch of democrats musing to her about how we need more uh lookers i didn't know we need we need hotter candidates like john ossoff and aoc on the ballot tommy you recently referred to ossoff as a piece of ass on the show agree with lauren i stand by that i'll say it again he's a piece of ass look the man's uh way taller in person than i expected he's got a jawline that you could [57:03] Used as a ruler. [57:06] Great hair. Great demeanor. Great hair. Legs that go all the way up. Legs that go all the way up. Is the key to winning, quote, run more hot people like the article says? Maybe. [57:19] Counterpoint. Donald Trump. I know, I know. Not hot. [57:22] Not hot. I think we could look. I think there's a big space between someone between, say, a Hollywood 10 and a Delaware 86. You know what I'm saying? And... [57:32] The problem, right, like... [57:35] Talk about Dan like that. There's a strange... There's a strange... The way hotness and ideology... The... [57:43] Like Bernie. [57:45] beloved figure, right? I'd say he's, you know. [57:50] I don't think you would call him traditionally hot right now. Where he's at now, maybe he's a young man. Still handsome. He's handsome. Yeah, he's seen some of those pictures. He's handsome. He's handsome. But Pete Hegseth would be traditionally considered to be good looking, one would say. I don't find him particularly hot to me. I think it's like one asset out of many, right? It's nice to have. Clearly, you can win the presidency without being hot, Donald Trump. But I do think... Yeah, because he's so fucking charming. You know, I think Lauren cites in her piece, there's like political science around this

[58:20] it yeah you know who was hot [58:23] Saddam Hussein. Look at Google Young Saddam. [58:27] He could get it. Castro, famously hot. Yeah. So it can help you get. As is his son in Canada. Elected. Oh, yeah. Now with Katy Perry. Take the coup. But maybe you're a bad leader. There is some truth to this, right? I mean, like how many times have you had friends in your life or just normies who would be like, oh, yeah, Gavin Newsom, he's the good looking one or whatever. Many have said that about Gavin Newsom. Barack Obama clearly benefited from being perceived as young and good looking and cool. And that was part of the appeal. Bill Clinton as well. [58:57] John Ossoff clearly has had a glow up. No doubt. Over the last several years. It is funny that no one in the story would go on the record saying that AOC is hot. There's a reverse gender thing. People are so worried about it. Clearly, she is beautiful. Yes. And I don't know why it's weird for people to say that. It's just a compliment. I get that people don't want to objectify her and there's gender. Of course. But she's beautiful. I'll objectify John Ossoff and I have no problem with that. What does that say about me? Right. I think it's sort of in the context of our conversation. But I think if you don't know what the article is and someone's like, talk about it. [59:27] in the bulwark talk about aoc's appearance oh no thank you uh let me know how the piece goes yeah we could talk about it here because we're giving ourselves the context of saying all the guys are hot until it's clipped all the guys are just look at all these eminently fuckable guys [59:43] You're Bernie's best ass. How did you feel sitting across from Josh Shapiro? What? [59:47] Look, I'll just say, you know, I asked him about this. I think there's a lot of Jewish mothers that would love to have their daughters bring home a guy like Josh. Handsome.

[1:00:00] Knows how to dribble a basketball. Does he? Yeah. Okay. Did you guys play hoops? No, it's obviously. Play a quick game of hoops? Obviously, it came up in the book. It did not come up in the actual experience. Okay. It would have been the interview, though. When I was on the fourth grade basketball team, I didn't have the arm strength. I could get the ball high enough. [1:00:18] To hit the hoop, I can obviously pitch it forward, but I couldn't get that parabola going. Right. Right. [1:00:23] Probably because you were thinking you needed to get a parabola going. And that's our March Madness coverage. [1:00:30] J.B. Pritzker spoke at the Gridiron dinner. And he's on the shot. Did you hear his joke? That he puts the gov in Wigobi. Yeah, he puts the gov in Wigobi. Good for him. Good job. Good for him. Here's the thing. Every time I read an article about the Gridiron, and it's like, and then the journalist did something, something set to the something from Chicago. I'm like, how is this a thing that still exists in the world? The sketches part of that event is insane. It's crazy. A bunch of journalists get together with... [1:00:59] politicians and they make up skits and songs and they perform them it's like what the fuck is also it's white tie white what is white tie even it just means tails i guess right it's it's the it's the most it's a long it's a longer coat with tails never supposed to technically you're supposed to have a different kind of shoe you can't just have a hat you would have not a tux you would have that's a dinner jacket you would have to drug me to go to that event you'd have to you'd have to maduro me to go there you just yeah you just you just wake up and in white tails

[1:01:29] You're going to watch Lin Sweet sing. [1:01:41] Worst of all, we're a pro-Lin Sweet podcast. Everyone loves Lin Sweet. She's the first person who came to mind. The gridiron queen. A lot of these traditions began before television. Yeah. And it used to be at night. It just got dark in your house. And maybe you'd read a book. And so people went out more. Yeah. You know? The gridiron. Okay. [1:01:59] I'm going to get yelled at. My segue to this next section was ruined by our conversation. So I'm just going to say on the subject of the midterms. Great. Perfect. If hey, if we can't if we can't find hot candidates, this is not to say that we don't have plenty of hot candidates running in the midterms. It's a good time to remind everyone about Project 218, which is Vote Save America's big push to help take the House back again with candidates who are hot, not hot, anywhere in between. [1:02:29] the best info about how to make the biggest difference. We've had more than 3,000 signups so far, but we need more. Head to votesaveamerica.com to learn more. And while you're at it, one more plug here. Do you know the next No Kings Day is this Saturday, March 28th? There are thousands of events to attend, and as we've seen, it's very, very important to show up and be counted and be heard. So head to nokings.org to find an event near you. Make a plan to go. Bring friends. Post some pictures. I have told you so. That'll be a sign. Good sign.

[1:02:59] some of that i told you regime change begins at home if you've kept your sign from 2004 about bush and the iraq war you can dust it off and bring regime change begins at home i think i still think it's like a bumper sticker i think that uh my in-laws have it it's a sad but very true statement yeah that's been around for a long time all right one last thing before we get to levitt's conversation with leah um [1:03:24] We've got to talk about Donald Trump dancing on Robert Mueller's grave. We do. After the news on Saturday that the former FBI director and special counsel died at 81 after a fight with Parkinson's disease, Trump and his White House posted... [1:03:36] the following statement. [1:03:38] Good. I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people. Incredibly, that wasn't the only depraved comment Trump made involving death and one of his perceived enemies. When he was asked Monday morning about the resignation of his former counterterrorism chief, Joe Kent, the president said, quote, I'm not a fan of the guy. His wife was killed. He remarried fairly quickly. I feel like Trump might not be a good person. Yeah. [1:04:03] What do you think? Have we all just grown numb to this now? Just real quick, Joe Kent's wife was killed while serving the U.S. military in Syria by a suicide bomber. So that's the context in which he made that comment. Got married too quickly, just like he said that about Thomas Massey. This is from a guy who would bring a date to Melania's funeral. [1:04:22] Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah, for sure. 100%. Yeah. Walker by the golf course grave of his previous wife. That's where I put that one.

[1:04:31] I saw Trump's comment, and I was like, my first reaction was, you know, Bob Mueller died, and now, like, all of the stories about his death have to include the President of the United States issuing this jackass fucking comment. [1:05:01] Charlie Kirk's death. And, you know, there was a whole government wide effort to hunt down people and cost them their jobs over potentially celebrating or not grieving properly for Charlie Kirk. And now we're doing this again. [1:05:13] Yeah, and I feel like it's actually been quite helpful to be consistent through all of this, which is not celebrating any deaths. Right. And by the way, like not – [1:05:24] Not celebrating death... [1:05:25] is not an act of civility. I'm not saying I feel happy when my enemies die, but I pretend not to as a means of projecting the morals I think we should have. I'm not judging people for what they're actually feeling. My feeling, what I see when people kind of celebrate someone's death is actually – [1:05:43] Like... [1:05:44] When someone dies... [1:05:46] And they did bad things. I'm not talking about people that are actively in the midst of doing horrible things. Their death relieves people of pain and abuse and tyrants, whatever. But to celebrate someone you don't like dying is to act as if... [1:05:58] dying is a kind of justice, that they're getting justice. But that can't be true, because everybody dies. And what you're really doing when you celebrate the death of your enemies, you're actually just avoiding facing the injustice that happened when they were alive. You're coping with the fact that you don't believe they faced what they deserved when they walked among the living. And so I think about what happens when Donald Trump will inevitably die, and there will be a crazy debate befitting Donald Trump in which our whole country is

[1:06:28] happy that he's dead and celebrating in the streets. I feel like that Bob Mueller tweet from Trump will be back on the rotation when this happens. But the truth is, I think a lot of what people will be feeling that kind of like will be a kind of a, [1:06:40] Uh-uh. [1:06:41] a grief about all the damage that was done and our failure to stop it and to get justice when somebody was walking around and so like to celebrate death is to act as if it won't come for all of us and that's just bad for the soul and it's bad for the world and so i i just want no part of it whoever dies that's my that's my take on this and they might they might express that feeling with um like a party hat and one of those like you know but like that's what they're [1:07:11] been consistent on this like you took a day off when the ayatollah was killed you didn't come in that day and i think that's you know that's commendable [1:07:18] Yeah, look, I... You were grieving. I laid... Yeah, I'm stopping myself. I'm stopping. You see those tweets go through, and you're just like... [1:07:26] And you just know the cycle we're all going to go through. I know. It's so exhausting. It's exhausting. He, you know what, I'm at this point where I'm like, say what you want to say, I guess. Like, he's the biggest, he's the worst person in the world. He happens to be our president. He's dancing on the grave of like a Purple Heart winning, you know, American citizen who served as FBI director. That's self-evidently terrible. You know, the hypocrisy is exhausting. Like, you know, Fox News did a month of coverage of Charlie Kirk insults. [1:07:56] Fox, as far as I can tell, did not air a single story about Donald Trump's tweet. And then the Daily Wire today unironically had up a story with the headline, Red Hen Deja Vu. Sarah Sanders kicked out of Arkansas restaurant, flipped off by staff. For those who weren't as terminally online as we are, in 2018, a restaurant called the Red Hen asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave the restaurant because there were a bunch of, I think, LGBT employees who didn't want to serve her. And this became a huge thing, right?

[1:08:26] Please come out whenever Democrats do anything to Republicans and they're silent when Republicans do things to Democrats. And it's just like it's so exhausting and frustrating to even have to call out hypocrisy. And I just I don't know. The thing I thought was interesting about this one, and this is similar to one about Rob Reiner, is it is so indefensible. So what you end up with is a lot of anger and outrage at Trump's direction and all these people deflecting. [1:08:56] hate Trump. And I think that's true. It is true. But even that is kind of like, this is bad strategy, this is bad politics. And it's actually what this also does is [1:09:05] is prove all the people that oppose him and hate him that they're right. And that really you've done something terrible by embracing someone so obviously morally unfit. So, so kind of, [1:09:14] broken in his soul i've forgotten about the rob reiner thing jesus there's so many examples like this and it's also like it is um i think it's tempting for those people to be like oh he says things and he's an asshole but like no no the the same thing in trump that makes him post that about bob muller or about rob reiner is the thing that makes him talk about war right now in iran is like we like sinking the ships the navy loves it's fun to sink the ships and maybe we'll bomb them more [1:09:44] And like when you someone who devalues human life, like Trump obviously does, who has the power that Trump has, who has his finger on the fucking button. Yeah, that's it. It's all connected, guys. How many separate it? How many of you have quoted Margaret Thatcher saying character is destiny? I stupidly internalize that. I've come to believe that there's truth in that. That character is destiny, that over time, your character reveals something important about you and becomes what your life amounts to. I actually stupidly thought you agreed.

[1:10:14] lady for some reason the thing that got me even angrier was um just see scott besant getting asked about it i mean oh no incredible oh my god oh he'll get so he's she you know welker asked him about it and he's like well i think people have to understand what bob muller put donald trump through i mean and she's like i'm sorry but what do you agree with the statement he's like i think that people just need to all he could say is he put through trump a lot like the fact that you're like a fucking grown man who had a real like and this is what you're reduced to sitting on meet the [1:10:44] missing this the trump administration made bob muller the special counsels you guys selected him it's just you know look what what trump said about bob muller what he said about joe kent it's sort of like equally despicable and the common thread is uh those were people who opposed donald trump in some way and joe kent as of like five days ago was donald trump's employee and just like you know it doesn't matter what bob muller did to donald trump over the course of several years of an investigation it's binary it's like you're with me or you're against me i got a little excited [1:11:14] Maybe I shouldn't, but thinking about [1:11:16] someone some journalist sitting down with jd vance and starting the question by reminding him of what he said after charlie kirk died and what he said about people who were celebrating and then asking him about trump and bob muller and seeing what jd vance says see how he gets out of the slippery prick he'll start scolding and yeah this is what you want to talk about with everything else that's going on it can't just be a shouted question because he'll just you know i want like a good a good sit down with someone where he's like stuck for 20 minutes i really i like i it's

[1:11:46] Maybe it does at this point need to be actually... [1:11:50] explained why rooting for people's death is bad maybe we do need collectively to actually talk about it or no i like i'm with you i think it's bad too no i know you do that's what yeah we were we were all there for charlie kirk and we got we got but it's almost like i actually want the i want someone to talk to jd vance about like the worth of a human soul and like what happens after we die and what we root for like what is the purpose of being alive and like who gets to be celebrated and what lives are worthy it's just that we're at like a kind of first principles [1:12:20] bunch of people are working for him. All right. When we come back from the break, strict scrutiny is Leah Lippman. [1:12:34] Pate of America is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. What's the latest trend in hiring? Skills-based hiring, which emphasizes capabilities over education and direct experience. Who needs education anymore? According to experts, this leads to faster hiring and better job performance. If you're an employer who's adopted skills-based hiring, the best way to ensure that your applicants have the right skills is ZipRecruiter. ZipRecruiter recommends smart screening questions to help you hone in on that perfect match for your role. And right now you can try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash crooked. ZipRecruiter's powerful matching technology finds qualified [1:13:04] You can easily add ZipRecruiter's screening questions to your job post so you get the highest quality applicants. Want to see who's recently active? ZipRecruiter's filters can show you. No wonder ZipRecruiter is the number one rated hiring site based on G2. Let ZipRecruiter help you find amazing candidates with the skills you seek. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash crooked. That's ZipRecruiter.com slash crooked. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter.

[1:13:34] Thank you. [1:13:38] Joining me now to discuss today's Supreme Court hearing on mail-in voting is Strict Scrutinies' Leah Lippman. Leah, welcome back to the pod. [1:13:45] Thanks for having me. [1:13:47] So the Supreme Court heard oral arguments today for Watson v. RNC. It's an elections case where the Republican National Committee is arguing that federal law prohibits ballots received after Election Day from being counted, even if they're postmarked before or on Election Day. Can you tell us a bit about how this case reached the court and what the RNC is arguing? Sure. So the RNC brought this case challenging a Mississippi statute that allows the state to [1:14:17] on or by Election Day, so long as they're received within five days of Election Day. A lower court [1:14:23] trial judge said, get the fuck out of here, right? That argument is ludicrous. It would literally call into question early voting, election law practices for the last 200 years, etc. And then the geniuses on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, three of Donald Trump's Court of Appeals appointees said, you know what? Actually, federal law does make it illegal to count absentee ballots that are received after election day. That theory would destabilize [1:14:53] states, I think 29 some states. And so because their ruling had such sweeping implications, the Supreme Court basically had to take this case. And that's how it got up here. The argument is federal law that just says the Tuesday next after the first Monday of November is established as the day for the election. Their theory is that federal law makes it illegal for states to count ballots that are cast by election day, but not received until a few days after.

[1:15:21] And part of this is grappling with whether or not that would also mean votes cast before Election Day would be counted. Also, it's not clear. [1:15:32] If election day is the day, if you can count votes, say, after midnight, [1:15:36] Thank you. [1:15:36] If you turn into a gremlin, if you count votes after midnight. I mean, they are gremlins. So I think that's kind of non-unique, but sure. Now, are the officials in Mississippi defending this case not also Republicans? They are. And part of what is so striking is that you have the prospect that both the federal government and I think at least three justices, three Republican appointees, if not more, are more anti-voting rights than the state of Mississippi. That is the state of our union. [1:16:06] There was some dissensus between the conservative justices. What was the kind of arguments you were hearing from, say, Alito and Thomas versus what you were hearing from, say, Kavanaugh and Barrett? [1:16:36] you know, the confidence you can have once you turn your ballot over to the Postal Service and whatnot. Honestly, Justice Kavanaugh sounded like he was more in that camp than in the middle. So he was throwing out concerns about if the apparent winner the morning after the election ends up losing due to late arriving ballots, won't that undermine confidence? And shouldn't we fashion a rule based on that? Again, eating up the kind of talking points from the 2020

[1:17:06] saying some of that, but then also saying, well, [1:17:11] federal government, RNC, wouldn't your theory also call into question the ability of people to cast early ballots, early in-person voting? Wouldn't it also call into question why states can even continue to count ballots after Election Day, even if they were received on or before Election Day? Like, why does it have to be that receipt happens on or before Election Day, but nothing else has [1:17:41] They seem to be the ones that are going to dictate the outcome in that case. And I will breathe a sigh of relief if they end up rejecting the federal government and the RNC theory. But it is just so scary that we are living in a world where it is possible that the Supreme Court at the end of June is going to announce this decision that could, again, nullify voting laws and practices just a few months before the midterms in over half of the election. [1:18:11] million voters in the 2024 election. Didn't Kavanaugh, though, question whether doing that would be feasible? Didn't he raise some concerns about that? Or am I being too optimistic? Tell me. I think your interpretation is very generous. I think what Kavanaugh was doing was a tell me why I'm right. Tell me why this isn't a concern question. Because what he asked the lawyer for the RNC was, would there be a problem under the so-called Purcell principle if we announced this

[1:18:41] decision for the upcoming midterms. The Purcell principle is this idea that the court has selectively invoked that suggests courts shouldn't change the rules too close to an election, lest they risk voter confusion and whatnot. But [1:18:55] The advocate for the RNC said, no, no problem, right? Just like hand out this bad boy at the end of June and upend election rules for an election that's going to happen in November. No big deal. And Justice Kavanaugh didn't push back on that. And the reality is this court has really selectively invoked that principle. So it has invoked Purcell when courts try to protect voting rights. Basically, it's always too close to an election to do something that protects voting rights. But it's never too close to an election to do something that would help Republicans. [1:19:25] the 11th Circuit to change the voting rules in Florida almost a week before that state's primary. They have allowed other decisions to go into effect that, again, were likely to benefit Republicans, but not decisions that actually improved multiracial democracy or made it easier to cast a ballot. So it's hard for me to think that he's actually going to apply that principle in a more even-handed way. So I agree that when California takes forever to count ballots, [1:19:55] Suddenly you go from a Republican winning to a Democrat winning that that creates an impression that leads people to question whether things are fair, even if they are entirely fair. And there is no evidence to suggest they aren't fair. But presumably it's a bad policy. It's a bad policy, but presumably the Supreme Court doesn't believe federal law should be made to assuage false concerns.

[1:20:25] Thank you. [1:20:26] a foul of federal election law? Or are they just ignoring this all together? John, you sweet, sweet summer child. I am a summer child. I'm going to spring out in LA here. Okay. So yes, I mean, this theory would suggest that many elections over the last 200 years have been conducted in illegal ways. And, you know, you expressed surprise at the idea that they would [1:20:47] indulge the suggestion that these false claims or false notions of voter fraud could actually alter the election rules, when the reality is they've actually embraced that idea before. You know, in a decision from seven years ago about the Voting Rights Act, Justice Alito, writing for all of the Republican appointees, said states have an interest in protecting the [1:21:17] And that was the same idea that you had Justices Kavanaugh and Alito reverting back to a bunch during this argument about absentee ballots. Well, isn't it fair for the state to basically adopt rules or the federal government to adopt rules in order to combat the appearance of impropriety, even again, if that's not rooted in reality? But, you know, that's not how you usually interpret federal statutes. [1:21:47] And they seemed willing to kind of abandon federalism, to abandon textualism, you know, in favor of something like whataboutism. Right. Well, because if the state has an interest in making their elections fair, the state would be the one trying to protect their electoral interest. Perhaps one way they're trying to make sure the elections are fair is by counting. Allowing people to vote. Right. You know, then that would be there. That would be right. This is this is about.

[1:22:11] usurping the state's prerogative to oversee the elections. But you basically what you saw today leads you to think that this is right now on the edge, but there could be five votes to protect the counting of absentee ballots. And the fact that it's close is incredibly terrifying. That's what I heard. I think that's what other Supreme Court watchers also heard. And just to pick up on one thing you said, you know, of course, the fact that states take so long to count ballots, [1:22:41] But the reality is invalidating these state rules that allow the counting of absentee ballots, that's not going to fix the problem because it still takes states a lot of time to count ballots that are received on or before Election Day. You know, we need to be able to invest more resources in order to give states the ability to process the counting of ballots. You know, some states don't even allow officials to begin counting ballots until a certain point. [1:23:11] It is just straight up voter suppression. [1:23:15] Speaking of straight up voter suppression, the president's on a tear here. He's trying to get the Congress to pass the SAVE Act, a restrictive voter ID bill to require Americans to provide proof of citizenship. At the moment, it seems unlikely that the bill can pass Congress. Even as of today, Trump was trying to get some of the funding measures tied to the SAVE Act, trying to get everything all together. The Senate leaders are throwing cold water on that because there aren't the votes to pass this.

[1:23:45] the contention has been around what this would do to, I believe it's pronounced women, to [1:23:50] women who are married. Now, on one side, they say, well, Democrats are spreading misinformation about this. On the other, it's truly not clear what happens to women whose birth certificates and legal name are not the same because they got married. What actually happens if this becomes law? And what would be the odds that it would face a lot of legal hurdles to actually going into effect? [1:24:20] soon. But yes, so, you know, various provisions of the law require you to be able to present an identification, you know, that matches your name when you go to vote. And so married women who change their names, you know, when they get married might have an identification where their birth certificate or their passport, you know, doesn't align with their married name. And so they would be prevented from voting under the SAVE Act. But it's not just married women, [1:24:50] A lot of people change their names for a variety of reasons. Same sex couples, you know, they change their names when they get married. Individuals, you know, change their names for family, personal reasons. And this law just threatens to disenfranchise large swaths of the population. And that seems to be the goal.

[1:25:20] you know, this is part of their mid-cycle redistricting, write a set of rules that allows them to retain power. The SAVE Act is part of that. Suing for voter data and potentially deploying ICE agents, right? Those are also voter suppression tactics. The pending case about the future of the Voting Rights Act, that's another voter suppression measure. And so they are trying to throw everything they can, you know, [1:25:41] at the wall in order to hold on to power because they recognize that nobody fucking likes them. [1:25:48] Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of people who are not being liked, I wanted to talk to you about this story. So last weekend, and you talked about this a bit on strict scrutiny, a federal judge Biden appointee absolutely tore into some DOJ attorneys in New Jersey in a courtroom, basically had a Trump lawyer removed from court, threatened to have. [1:26:18] him dragged out of the court. [1:26:19] then gave that that that lawyer a second opportunity to leave on his own volition, an opportunity he took. What happened? And. [1:26:29] Is it now resolved because of what took place today? I cannot begin to convey the insanity of what has been happening in the U.S. attorney's office for New Jersey. Imagine GTL, but like on ketamine, and it's like the legal version of that. So, you know, they appointed Jim Tan lawyer. Exactly. Jim Tan lawyer. They appointed Alina Habba, U.S. attorney. Federal judges said, no, that's illegal.

[1:26:59] referred to as the trifecta or the triumvirate, where three individuals were supposedly running the office. Another federal judge said, no, no, no, that's illegal. And the problem with making all of these illegal appointments is if you have an illegally appointed prosecutor, then the cases that they bring have to be thrown out. And so it was jeopardizing public safety, law enforcement, law and order. And so all of these judges were like, guys, just fucking get your act together. And [1:27:26] accept, you know, the lawfully appointed U.S. attorney, because under federal law, the judges basically have the power to select a U.S. attorney for a district after a certain period of time. And that was what the Trump administration was resisting. So in this particular case, it involved a defendant who had been indicted for a child pornography offense. And because the U.S. attorney's office is just not functioning, apparently, [1:27:49] The U.S. Attorney's Office entered into a plea deal with this defendant without the [1:27:54] actually searching the defendant's phone. They agreed to a sentence before actually searching. [1:28:00] looking at all of the defendant's phone. And once they looked, it had even more child sexual abuse material on it. But because they had entered this plea agreement, they were kind of stuck to it. And this judge was pissed off. He was like, what are you doing? And also, why are you insisting on imposing a sentence when you are running a U.S. attorney's office that might not even be lawfully structured? So, [1:28:24] This transcript was basically my ASMR. I would strongly recommend to people reading it for themselves. You know, at the end of the transcript, the judge basically says, you know,

[1:28:33] In a single year, you have squandered all the credibility that the Department of Justice has built up over decades. [1:28:40] decades. And it does seem to have been resolved in the sense that the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey is now being run by the individual that was selected according to the statutory procedures by these federal judges. And so what that would mean is now there's a lawful appointment [1:28:58] structure in place and so all of these plea agreements all these criminal cases aren't going to be called into question um you know as to whether the individuals who [1:29:07] stayed at the U.S. Attorney's Office, including, you know, some individuals who came in under Trump, you know, can dot their... [1:29:13] i's and cross their t's and do law remains to be seen but this does actually solve some of the problems at least. [1:29:19] Yeah, just so people understand, basically, if the role of U.S. attorney is vacant, it [1:29:27] Because it's a confirmable Senate confirmable position, the law says that if it's open, there can only be a temporary appointment by the administration for so long before the judges appoint. [1:29:38] someone in their stead because there are real powers that are associated with job and they have to go somewhere and you have to know who that person is and trump was trying to get around this by kind of continuously appointing temporary people and the fear would be that those prosecutions not only was this usurping congress and the judge in the role of the courts and what they've what they've what congress has assigned to the courts but it would mean that these prosecutions could ultimately be in jeopardy they were fighting and fighting and fighting it seems like they've

[1:30:03] As of today, as of this recording, [1:30:05] basically given up the fight. It does seem like a genuine victory for the federal courts over the Trump administration. It really does. And this is an area where the federal courts held the line and basically refused to back down. And, you know, in the game of chicken, the chicken always loses and the Trump administration lost, as they should have. And so hopefully they actually stick to this and are willing to accept, you know, the statutory procedures and other U.S. attorney's offices as well. [1:30:34] Leah, before we go, one last question. Donald Trump [1:30:38] over the weekend. [1:30:41] said that he was happy that Robert Mueller had died. He said, good, because he didn't like him. Do you ever allow yourself to root for the death of people that you don't like? Or do you know how bad that is for the human soul? Where are you at? [1:30:56] You know, I have some sense that that is bad for the human soul, because basically when I saw that tweet, I forced myself to think about, okay... [1:31:04] When Donald Trump inevitably dies, like, what will you say and what will you think? And nothing remotely like the truth he posted about Robert Mueller remotely entered into my lexicon, even though this is someone whose policies and behavior have affected vast suffering, right, untold deaths. [1:31:25] human consequences. And still, like, I just don't think that is a normal human reaction. It's sociopathic.

[1:31:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:31:38] Death isn't justice. We all die. You know, that's how I feel about it. It comes for everybody. So how do you celebrate it? You just all stand on the same train tracks, you know? [1:31:48] But... [1:31:48] While we walk among the living, subscribe to Strict Scrutiny, because these cases are coming down. They are huge cases that will affect the elections, that will affect all of us. And if you want to know what's happening, if you want to be prepared, if you want to understand and do it in a way that is entertaining, even joyful at times, even in these dark moments, please, please, please subscribe to Strict Scrutiny. Leah Lippman, thank you so much. Good to see you. Thank you for having me. [1:32:21] That's our show for today. Thanks to Leah for coming on. Dan and I will be back with a new show on Friday. [1:32:30] If you want to listen to Pod Save America ad-free and get access to exclusive podcasts, go to crooked.com slash friends to subscribe on Supercast, Substack, YouTube, or Apple Podcasts. Also, please consider leaving us a review. That helps boost this episode and everything we do here at Crooked. Pod Save America is a Crooked Media production. [1:32:47] Our producer is Saul Rubin. Our associate producer is Farah Safari. Austin Fisher is our senior producer. Reid Churlin is our executive editor. [1:32:55] Adrian Hill is our head of news and politics. The show is mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick. Jordan Cantor is our sound engineer, with audio support from Kyle Seglin and Charlotte Landis. Matt DeGroat is our head of production. Naomi Sengel is our executive assistant. Thanks to our digital team, Elijah Cohn, Haley Jones, Ben Hefcoat, Mia Kelman, Carol Pellaviv, David Tolles, and Ryan Young. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.

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