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The Girl in the Blue Mustang - Ep. 5: Revelations

An attorney and his son undertake a new review of the evidence in Michelle’s murder and get a surprise opportunity to make their case to prosecutors. This episode was originally published on April 4, 2023. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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[01:34] locked in a cage like an animal. But it is equally true that people don't generally like to be told when they're wrong. So when a tough case is finally all done and dusted and the guilty party has been tried and convicted and sent away, fresh eyes are not always so welcome, no matter how bright or perceptive, especially to those like the O'Keeffe's, for whom that long [02:04] the horrors that had descended upon them, beginning with that awful moment in Michelle's blue Mustang all those years ago. But the desert winds blew as ever, year after year, and the seasons came and went. [02:19] and new families grew up around them [02:22] and Mike and Pat O'Keefe did what they had to do to put some kind of life back together. Not easy, as Pat told me. [02:30] Not easy at all. [02:33] But you make accommodations to this, this sort of continuing pain that you feel, huh? That you just have to find a place for it and live with it? I think you kind of... [02:42] work through it. You don't really [02:44] close the book like people say, "Oh, you'll be so happy when everything's all done." [02:49] Michelle will still be gone. We'll still miss her, but we learned to [02:53] get through each day. [02:55] "Best to look outward now," said Mike. [02:58] based on what we've learned. [03:00] if we can go help others. [03:02] who've gone through [03:04] Heaven forbid, similar tragedies.

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[03:07] I think that's probably a big part of our mission in life from here on. [03:11] Anyway, there was Jason, a son anyone would be proud of. Jason, the budding baseball prospect, the future lawyer, and a young man who told us he was determined to rise above the ugliness somehow. There's going to be a coming time in my life when I'm going to have to find it deep down in my heart to forgive him. [03:34] verdict, said Mike. You've got to kind of characterize a new normal in your life, because what normal has been [03:40] is no longer normal. In this episode, it's all beyond normal. [03:46] as a family clings to its one certainty that the guilty man was convicted. Well, Jeff Ehrlich puts his considerable reputation on the line in an attempt to tear those very certainties asunder. For the sake of a man he'd only just met. [04:02] The fact that you can just, at 25, have your life taken away from you for no reason is a very frightening prospect. And he is not yet a tourney sum, minds from nuggets of truth buried in an old episode of Dateline. I knew that Ray Jennings was sitting in a cell, that he was away from his children, and I couldn't enjoy life because I knew that this injustice had existed. [04:32] I read and reread police reports and interviews and conclusions that might have been right,

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[04:38] Maybe we're wrong. A whole different story began to emerge. A story you have not yet heard. There would be consequences. This one incident, as vicious as it is, it's had a huge ripple effect. People's lives have been changed forever. I'm Keith Morrison, and this is The Girl in the Blue Mustang, a podcast from Dateline, Episode 5, Revelations. [05:08] The End [05:19] - I could not stop thinking about Job. [05:22] Old Testament, Job, as I sat with Mike and Pat O'Keefe and talked about, well, everything, really. [05:28] The memories. The whole thing, you know, took a toll. [05:33] on both of us. I think [05:37] Um... [05:38] certainly caused depression. [05:40] throughout her family, you know, Pat, myself, and Jason, of course. So it's just a terrible thing to go through. [05:47] Well, and each of you would remind the other of all the [05:51] of all that. [05:53] Yes, and finally there was only one solution, least for them. [05:58] Early one spring, four years after that third and final trial, Pat and Mike O'Keefe filed for divorce. [06:05] They weren't angry. They didn't dislike each other.

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[06:09] They just found it easier to live apart. [06:12] Mike moved up to the mountains about an hour away, moved into a rental with Jason, the son who'd been giving him, and Pat, [06:20] Reasons to feel good again. [06:22] Jason had turned out to be a fine baseball player, a pitcher with prospects. His pitching coach was the same man who taught baseball great Randy Johnson. [06:32] And one day, as Mike watched Jason work out alongside a pro pitcher, [06:38] That coach turned to Mike. [06:40] and spoke. He had a big poster of Randy Johnson over in the corner of his facility. He says, I want you to think about this. Randy Johnson makes $350,000 a week [06:48] In five years, you could be there. [06:51] And... [06:52] What was really touching is Jason got back up on the mound and started throwing. The other pitcher looked over at him and he goes, "Kid, he's never said that to me." So it was just sort of as a dad, you know, proud moment kind of things. More proud moments to come? Maybe. Jason was scouted by the Dodgers and the Padres. And who knew? [07:12] Some kind of pro-career seemed to beckon. And then one day, [07:18] It was a freak thing, really. [07:19] One in a million accident. [07:21] An elevator gave way beneath him. [07:24] His injuries were not life-threatening, but [07:27] Baseball was not so likely after that. [07:30] And there was pain, a lot of it. [07:33] pain and medication. This doctor for some reason described him fentanyl and morphine at the same time and fairly strong doses of each and

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[07:47] uh... [07:48] anyway it was just [07:52] basically taking the drugs as prescribed just over did it with him but [07:58] It had [07:59] You know, the drugs had basically taken over his life. [08:02] a situation where this kid [08:04] Also had the world on a string, you know, and [08:07] Through the injuries and the drugs, you saw this kid go from an all-American kid to a recluse who just [08:14] Kind of hung out. [08:15] his room most of the time, you know, most of the while would go do something with me. [08:19] occasionally go out with one of his friends, but not like, you know, completely changed his character. [08:27] And one cold day in November 2014... [08:30] Mike O'Keefe returned from work and found Jason's lifeless body on the floor. [08:36] An overdose. Let's just sort of look up at the sky and say, "Why me, God?" a lot. Oh my gosh. [08:44] I, uh... [08:45] You know, people say, do you pray? And I go, well, I don't only pray, but I end up [08:49] uh [08:50] having some loud discussions with Jesus when I do pray. [08:55] And so it kind of changed my whole [08:57] perspective on things. I'm sure a lot of people disagree with it, but it is what it is. However, those people are disagreeing with me. They have been through what I've been through. [09:06] This was stalwart Jason, who'd kept them going through all those trials. I know for a fact Raymond Lee Jennings killed my sister. Jason, who had studied law so he could be a sword for justice, just like Michael Blake, the prosecutor protector who had gone to trial three times for the sake of his sister Michelle. Jason was dead.

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[09:32] No children now. Unimaginable, really. [09:36] I can't tell you, it takes you to a low [09:39] No one can characterize what low is until you go through something like that. So perhaps it was a blessing of sorts that the O'Keeffe's had no idea. That a few months after Jason's death, a civil attorney and his son turned their fresh eyes toward the murder of Michelle. But then neither did the Ehrlichs know what the O'Keeffe's had been going through. No, they were focused on facts and evidence. [10:06] and to borrow another biblical title, on Revelations. [10:20] In the U.S., there's a break-in every 26 seconds. That means somewhere right now, an intruder is getting closer. [10:27] The problem is most security systems only alert you after a break-in has already started, and that's too late. [10:34] When intruders step near, SimpliSafe Home Security steps up. Using the Outdoor Camera Series 2 and Advanced AI Alerts, SimpliSafe's U.S.-based live agents identify threats on your property and help deter them, stopping crime before it starts. That's why over 5 million people rely on SimpliSafe, and why U.S. News and World Report named them the best home security system of 2026. [11:00] SimpliSafe. No long-term contracts. Plans start at around a dollar a day. Right now, get 50% off a custom system at simplisafe.com slash dateline.

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[12:48] could only have been seen by the killer. Here is how he explained it to me long after his conviction. [12:55] These are things that I should have never spoke on because I didn't know. I'm not a I'm not a you're guessing. Oh, absolutely. I [13:02] just based upon what I observed. [13:06] This is the guy who talked too much. Absolutely. Because you were saying things you thought you knew, but you didn't have a clue. Didn't have a clue. [13:14] From the files, the Ehrlichs deduced that the conviction of Jennings was based, almost entirely, on the things that he said. Prosecutor Michael Blake always acknowledged there was no physical evidence that could pin the murder on Jennings. It was all circumstantial. [13:36] of looking at it. It is funny how people react to different situations when there's trauma involved. You and I can look at the same thing and you can see something totally different than what I see. When I talked to Raymond Jennings, I was struck by how remarkably patient he was and polite, affable. If there was bitterness, it did not show. Rather, he seemed endlessly, if naively, [14:06] everybody I'm a short timer. At no point in my 11 years did I tell anybody that, you know, I got life in prison and that's it, that's it, I'm done. But you were done. No, I wasn't. You never felt that way? I never felt that way. Well, perhaps. But the Ehrlichs wanted to see the facts, all the facts. So they gathered together every bit of evidence they could lay their hands on, most of

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[14:37] Public information available to anybody, if they'd ask. Stacks of paper rode the elevator to their sixth-floor lookout over L.A.'s San Fernando Valley. And page by page, they dug through it all, looking for anything that would either prove Clint's suspicions had been wrong all along, and it really was a proper conviction, or something. They didn't know quite what that was. [15:06] began to find things, things that didn't seem right. [15:13] There was no doubt, none whatsoever, that the weapon used to kill Michelle [15:17] was a 9mm handgun. [15:20] And yet no amount of searching produced a scintilla of evidence that Jennings ever owned a 9mm. Oh, he did own a gun. It was a .308. But again, it was all in the file. He did not have it with him the night Michelle was killed. It was against the security company's rules. Besides, the detectives never did recover the 9mm murder weapon. Not on Jennings, nor anywhere around the crime scene. [15:50] They didn't even check to see if Jennings actually fired a gun that night. They could easily have done that, but they didn't. This is Jeff Ehrlich. If they had swabbed Ray's hands for gunshot residue or searched him or his car and found that there was no gun, then there wouldn't have been a case. So the detective work at the beginning wasn't very good.

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[16:15] Mind you, that first night police considered Jennings to be a witness, not a person of interest. [16:22] Still, some things were tested, some things were not. Later, they did collect Jennings' uniform, standard-issue security guard outfit, the one Jennings was wearing that night. Now that, the police did test for gunshot residue. And there wasn't any. Not a grain on the uniform. [16:43] Also, no pseudo-stippling. Curious phenomenon, stippling. [16:52] been the shooter, but it didn't, as Jeff explained. If Ray Jennings had been the shooter, and since the shooter had, according to the prosecution, fired the first shot into the ground at his feet, there would be this phenomenon known as pseudo-stippling, which is a shrapnel from the bullet in the asphalt that would tear holes through his pants and possibly his legs. And so the absence [17:22] in the same way that the absence of gunshot residue on the cuffs of his jacket, shows that he didn't fire a gun that night. [17:28] He didn't shoot a bullet into the ground at his feet that night. Which is pretty powerful evidence. If he didn't fire a gun, he didn't kill her. [17:35] Exactly. [17:37] The Ehrlichs also looked in vain for evidence that Jennings had been in Michelle's car... [17:42] Things like hair and fibers and fingerprints, DNA, that sort of thing.

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[17:48] But there was nothing like that, nothing at all. [17:52] Except... [17:53] There should have been if the prosecutor's theory of the crime, how it happened and why it happened, was true. [18:00] The Ehrlichs read in the transcript that Prosecutor Blake told the jury the crime was most likely a sex assault. [18:07] And in fact, he called to the stand a well-known FBI behavioral specialist named Mark Safarick to back him up. [18:14] I believe that the motive for this crime was sexual assault, that the offender intended to [18:21] A sexual assault, it wasn't well thought out, and it escalated. It went bad quickly, and it escalated into a homicide. [18:31] "One thing it was not," said Blake to the jury, "was a robbery gone wrong." [18:37] How did he know? Because valuable items were left in Michelle's car. Her purse, for one thing. And, separately, a wallet with $110 in it, along with credit cards. Surely a robber would have taken those things. So, the prosecutor's perfectly reasonable deduction, it wasn't a robbery, it was an attempted sexual assault. But then the Ehrlichs came across a police report, and, well, well, that changed everything. [19:07] There were photos which revealed that Michelle's wallet was not in her purse. It had fallen into a gap under her seat, where a thief in a hurry wouldn't have seen it. It's very hard to see at night in a dark parking lot in a dark car. And her glove box was open. It looked like the car had been ransacked. Someone was probably looking for that money in her purse, and they couldn't find it. So to say, oh, it wasn't taken, didn't make sense.

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[19:37] based on the police reports, something called a [19:40] Situational felony murder. The situational felony murder happens when it's sort of a youthful offender, someone at the beginning of the criminal investigation, [19:49] career is committing a crime and then it's interrupted like by a car alarm and ray jennings heard the car alarm and then they panic shoot the victim and leave [19:58] But Jeff Ehrlich wasn't a criminal attorney. He wasn't used to poking around crime scenes for evidence of... [20:04] situational felony murders. So I hired a retired profiler and said, what do you think? And he said, well, it does fit those criteria. So we verified things by hiring experts. And mostly we just looked at the record and found the inconsistencies. Of course, the ex-FBI man, Mark Safarick, was an expert too. So maybe, thought the Ehrlichs, maybe Safarick didn't have all the facts before [20:34] son, Clint. One of the issues was whether it had been appropriate to allow Mr. Safra to testify about his theory of the crime. [20:44] Because there was, in essence, no evidence to support it. It was just his imagination about what happened. Like a FBI profiler, and here's what he would think. Exactly. I think that criminal profiling is a great investigative tool, and that it is a horrible form of evidence to try to convict someone and put them in prison. But the other possibility, the botched robbery motive rejected by the prosecutor, the Ehrlichs figured that robbery motive made sense for a particular reason.

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[21:14] was murdered, the park and ride was struggling with a festering gang problem. And what do you know, right there in the files, Jeff Ehrlich said they found this. Just weeks after the murder, there was an anonymous tip that was called into the Antelope Valley Press that then was reported to the sheriffs and investigated that said, [21:38] that this was a gang-related [21:41] Bye. [21:42] attempted carjacking that went bad. [21:44] that there were people in the parking lot who were in the parking lot to steal hubcaps or rims or whatever else they could do, that they tried to steal Michelle O'Keefe's Mustang, that she resisted, and they shot her. [21:57] and left. And it was a very specific tip. [22:01] But it never went anywhere. [22:04] Besides, by then, Ray Jennings was suspect number one and only. [22:09] No matter how deeply the Ehrlichs dug into the investigation, they came up with the same answer. [22:14] None of the actual evidence implicated Ray Jennings. [22:18] The case was built on... [22:20] interpretations like [22:22] Jennings' behavior, night of the murder. Jennings told investigators he saw signs Michelle may still have been alive, but... [22:31] didn't arrest your aid. And that, Prosecutor Blake told the jury, [22:35] made Jennings look like a guilty man. [22:38] But... [22:39] Not so, said Jeff Ehrlich. [22:41] As an unarmed security guard, [22:44] Jennings had been trained to stay back and call police in the event of a shooting. Ray acted utterly appropriately. And that's another thing that I think is wrong with the case, that the prosecution used the fact that he acted consistently with his training

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[22:59] as evidence that he was guilty. [23:03] But they also went and looked from every possible position in that lot where he was and [23:11] He should have seen, said the police, what happened. So if he was telling the truth, he would have been able to tell them something more than he did. And if he was lying, [23:22] Well, obviously that was cover. Right. If he wanted to lie, [23:26] All he would have had to do is say, "I saw some guy wearing a sweatshirt and a hoodie." [23:32] firing a gun. [23:33] And then I ducked down, and then when I looked up again, he was gone. He could have just made up a story. [23:39] He didn't make up a story. [23:41] In that way, many more bits and pieces piled up on the Ehrlich's desk. The pile grew into a thick binder. Each discovery carefully explained, each one pointing to Jennings' innocence. But something was missing, too. [23:57] Seemed like there were blanks in the investigation's paper trail, things that should have been there but weren't. Kind of like they were reading a book with missing pages. Except maybe those pages were never there in the first place because somebody overlooked evidence? Maybe. Evidence that might reveal who murdered Michelle O'Keefe in her blue Mustang on that cold, windswept night in the desert. [24:27] .

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[27:45] The rain beat at the windows of Jeff Ehrlich's law office. [27:49] While inside, Jeff and son Clint stared long and hard, [27:54] at a name. [27:55] Victoria Richardson. [27:58] And who was she? [28:00] - Okay. [28:01] A key witness in the trial of Raymond Jennings, for one thing. [28:04] She, you may recall, said she was sitting in a car in the park and ride night of the murder. [28:11] Where was that exactly? Eleven spaces from Michelle's blue Mustang, she told detectives. And from that vantage, she said she saw a security guard walk by and then moments later heard some strange tapping noises. [28:27] At the time, the detectives made what seemed an obvious deduction. Those tapping noises must have been Jennings shooting Michelle. [28:34] The Ehrlichs weren't so sure about that. For one thing, they discovered... [28:40] Victoria had quite the record. [28:42] drug dealing, violence, etc., etc., [28:46] It's maybe not entirely reliable. [28:49] Still, they were quite sure this Victoria Richardson had to be an important clue. [28:54] In fact, [28:55] She had admitted to the original detective something quite remarkable: that she and three other people [29:02] was sitting in her parked car, smoking marijuana, [29:05] and listening to music. [29:07] at the time of the shooting. [29:09] But who were those three people? Did they see something? [29:14] Do they do something?

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[29:17] Jeff Ehrlich. [29:19] to me what is [29:20] The most remarkable thing about the case is that they [29:23] Didn't do any background check into any of those people. They didn't ask, didn't talk to any of them? No. [29:29] Nothing. [29:30] And... [29:32] And had they done that, the whole tenor of the case would look considerably different. Yeah. Isn't one of the rules when in doubt talked to all about— [29:41] Even their profiling expert, Mr. Safrick, said that it was incumbent [29:46] on the police to talk to all the people in the car. [29:50] And they didn't do that. They never ran a background check on those people. [29:55] Two of those people were in prison when the charges were filed against Ray Jennings. And the essence of the prosecution case is that Ray must have been guilty because there was no one else there who could have committed the crime. [30:07] Well... [30:10] Yes. [30:11] I don't even know what to say to that. Clint and Jeff Ehrlich concluded that police and prosecutors had been blinded by their own theory of the crime, that Raymond Jennings was the killer. It has a name, tunnel vision, and it's a form of confirmation bias. And in prosecutors... [30:31] It happens in virtually [30:32] every wrongful conviction. They just locked in on him. [30:37] And they just couldn't [30:39] bring themselves to consider anyone else. It's a tragedy. Clint Ehrlich told me what happened that night should have become obvious to investigators. How would you categorize this crime? An attempted carjacking gone wrong. Simple as that? Simple as that.

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[30:57] The Ehrlichs had seen enough. They were outraged by the investigation and the trial and the conviction of a man they believed was innocent. But the legal options available to them were almost nil. The only possible remedy, given that Jennings had lost his appeals, was a habeas petition. And that was something Jeff Ehrlich, with all his civil law experience, had never filed before. It's Greek for bring me the body. [31:26] court for a review of their case. The Ehrlichs knew all too well the way these petitions almost always went. In a word, badly. And we watched these things go through the courts, time and again, with people who were actually innocent in prison. And it takes sometimes decades. Yes. [31:45] So that was what you were facing? Yes. [31:47] And you knew it, and you were prepared to go for it anyway. I, yes, I didn't see a choice. But that process could not only take years... [31:55] It would cost big money. Now, the odds of getting Jennings out of prison were daunting. [32:02] A million to one. But then, [32:05] Out of the blue, [32:06] came a gift from the unlikeliest of places. [32:13] June 29, 2015. Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey proudly stepped up to the podium wearing a cool pink suit and a string of pearls. She'd called in the press to announce the formation of a groundbreaking unit called the CRU,

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[32:31] Shorthand for Conviction Review Unit. [32:34] Its mission? To investigate credible claims of innocence. The man standing at Lacey's side of the podium was the CRU's new director, Ken Lynch. [32:45] Broad smile, broad shoulders. He was the former supervisor of LA's gang unit. [32:53] Jeff could barely wait to share the news with his son, Clint. No need for a habeas petition. [32:59] No need for a long, tilted federal court windmills. [33:02] They were going to write a letter. [33:05] He came to me and said, [33:07] we need to contact these people. And I agreed immediately because we had been... [33:13] hoping that there was some way to reach out and to explain, look, we think you've made a really, really bad mistake. And so the idea that we could go directly to the DA's office and say, please take a look at this, that that was very appealing. [33:31] Mind you, they knew theirs would likely be one of hundreds, maybe thousands, of appeals to this new conviction review unit. [33:38] One letter... [33:40] was the only shot they had [33:42] and Raymond Jennings' fate hung on every word. [33:46] And so we put together this critique and [33:50] Clint was [33:51] clearly the architect of the point by point. But it took us months to craft, and we did it collaboratively. [33:58] I wrote the majority of the letter. I wrote the argument. My father wrote the facts. I wrote the introduction. He wrote the conclusion. One of the beauties of working with him is that he and I tend to write in the same voice. It's very difficult to

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[34:13] to look at something and say, "Oh, Jeff wrote that. Clint wrote that." And so we collaborate very well together. [34:18] October 2nd, 2015. At their office on Ventura Boulevard, they assembled their meticulously prepared 34-page letter. They included a six-inch stack of photocopies called [34:32] a compendium of evidence. [34:35] And off it went, Ray Jennings' fate with it. [34:39] The package as shipped by messenger to the District Attorney's Conviction Review Unit was a short one. [34:44] just a 20-minute drive down the [redacted address] in downtown LA. [34:49] . [34:50] Time to wait. [34:52] Anything could happen. [34:54] anything at all. [35:01] Next, on The Girl in the Blue Mustang... [35:04] I literally just started praying as hard as I could. Someone important. [35:09] buried deep in the evidence. - And all they had to do was take his name and run a background check, and they would have said, "Oh my goodness." - There is a document containing [35:20] That word again, revelations. A murder more than two decades old was not finished with L.A. Not yet. [35:36] The Girl in the Blue Mustang is a production of Dateline and NBC News. Scott Frazier is a producer. Brian Drew, David Varga, and John Koster are audio editors.

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