Trump's Versailles on the Potomac

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[05:19] on the future of the slush fund, but instead he dozed off several times in between his home renovation updates, which today included an announcement of yet another brand new construction project. Let's listen. This is now open. You see the size of that compared to [05:36] Some of the biggest buildings in the country are actually the biggest. Hey, Peter. And we have it finished. The water is pouring in as we speak. This is from just a little while ago. Nice clean water. The Lincoln. [05:53] memorial, the front was supposed to be the back, the back was supposed to be the front, it never got built. [05:59] because they built two roadways behind it [06:01] after it was built [06:03] It shut off the [06:05] Gateway to the water. [06:07] That was really going to be the main entry. [06:09] And we're going to be doing that. We're going to just go to the promenade. [06:13] Promenade. They want to call it the Trump Promenade, but I don't know if I want to do that. [06:18] What? [06:18] The fuck is happening? It's, um... [06:21] We really need to talk about how unwell this man is. Yeah. First of all, was there a penis also on that chart of big things that Trump's obsessed with? I don't know. This is not super important, but this is the second day now he has... [06:38] led off an event in the Oval by holding up a chart to show that the reflecting pool is bigger than most buildings? Yes. [06:47] But like, it's not even something that he can brag about. Like he did it. He didn't lengthen the reflecting pool. It was built in 1920. Right. He just put in, he just painted it and renovated it. But now he's obsessed constantly with like holding up a billboard of how it's big. What the, what? It's a sort of, I mean, it's, it's legacy by way of phallic imagery. I think it's just an obsession with size.

[07:10] It is inversely proportional to his... [07:15] his approval ratings, right? So as he sinks in the polls, he needs to erect or claim the erection. I'm sorry, I keep saying these sort of penile vocabulary, but it is all, I mean, it's all intermingled. And it's the only way he believes he'll have a legacy is brick and mortar. And even if it's not his own brick and mortar, I mean, he's destroyed, he is destroying the country, he's lost the faith of maybe his even his own party in Congress or is losing it. He has a colossal, [07:45] ahead of him in November, which is going to leave him even more castrated. And so what's his recourse? I guess reflecting pools and promenades. Yeah, big penis pool. And now we're doing a promenade around the Lincoln Memorial? I mean, are we, though? Are we going to get those Mar-a-Lago yellow umbrellas like we have in what used to be the Rose Garden R.A.P.? I... [08:08] I don't know that any of this is going to come to pass. I mean, truly, first of all, he's over budget and over time on all the projects that are already underway. The Republicans in Congress have gotten very fatigued of, I think, the ego and the vanity projects. And, you know, they're not giving him a billion for the ballroom. I just I think this is all, first of all, a distraction from what's really happening. And we should talk about what's unfolding in Congress right now. But, like, I don't know. How fast can you build a promenade? [08:38] pool isn't even fixing the leaks. It's going to be covered in mold in like a year or a couple months. And the arch, don't forget about the arch. I don't know. I don't know. I just hope all of them become intake processing centers for newly arrived migrants. Like that's just the only good drain the pool and let me make it, you know, put bedding down, let people sleep there, like just make it something useful for this increasingly poor and destitute country that he's running into the ground. I absolutely loved the

[09:03] John Ossoff line from over the weekend about all this, where he said, yeah, he's building all these monuments to himself because after he's gone, no one else will. Yeah, that is absolutely devastating. That is an Ossoff has been so good on reinforcing the narrative that this is all kind of Louis XIV style corruption and self-service. Versailles and the Potomac. Exactly. I mean, it is. It's l'état c'est moi. That means the state, it's me. [09:33] It's a disaster of epic proportions in terms of one man's ego. But I am skeptical that it actually comes to fruition. The Trump promenade, at least. Let's hope so. What did you make of the dead or alive drama around the slush fund and the Republicans refusal slash failure? [09:53] to kill it for good. [09:54] Because some tried today. They could not get their caucus on board. Some tried to save their own asses. Some, not all. I think, number one, it is important that there be specific written language passed by Congress that outlaws the slush fund. It is quite clear to me, especially based on Trump's suggestion that he loves, not explicit declaration that he loves the fund. Todd Blanche will do anything Donald Trump wants. [10:24] means by Wednesday the slush fund could be up and running. It is [10:27] imperative that [10:29] the legislative branch shut this thing down, right? So I think the movement to attach an amendment to this reconciliation bill that's being voted on right now is essential. What is the point of Bill Cassidy? Bill Cassidy is a senator in his, he's the Republican who, upon which this, like the future of this slush fund in large part hinges, right? He was the holdout today. He delayed, delayed, delayed. People thought, oh my God, he's going to kill this thing. And then decided at the

[10:59] you know what, I need this to be a Republican effort and not a Democratic effort. Bill Cassidy gave the country a raccoon testicle obsessed health and human services director who is an anti-vaxxer, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He, a Dr. Bill Cassidy, gave us a lunatic at HHS. He was the pivotal vote. This was the one chance Bill Cassidy had to redeem his reputation, his stature [11:29] mounting resistance for three hours and then saying on partisan grounds, I can't I can't accept this amendment. I need Republicans to author it. Yeah. So just to catch people up on what happened here. Democrats offered an amendment to say it's nice that Todd Blanche said that this we're not moving forward the fund, but we're going to kill it statutorily. We're going to put it in law to make sure that it's gone for good. And Schumer offered the amendment and they got Collins and they got Dan Sullivan in Alaska, [11:59] falling where they may. And John Husted. Husted? Husted. Husted. Husted. Who knew? Exactly. Anyway, he's the guy that Sherrod Brown's running against in Ohio. A Fox News poll came out yesterday that shows him trailing Sherrod Brown by eight. Sherrod's best poll. Awesome. But anyway, those three, just coincidentally, voted... They're in common. They voted to kill it as Republicans. But, you're right, Cassidy and Tillis thought they would be cutesy and they decided not to vote for that amendment. They introduced their own

[12:29] the slush fund in the way that Trump wants to use it, it has to be used for the anti-fraud initiative that J.D. Vance is running, which is basically like, you know, robbing states of Medicaid funding if they find someone committing fraud somewhere. They're just sort of collective punishment for the rest of the people who are on Medicaid. So they introduced that amendment, and obviously Democrats weren't going to support that because it's crazy and the anti-fraud initiative is bullshit. So they got like, I don't know, seven, eight, nine Republicans on that one, but that one didn't pass either. So now... [12:59] Where are we? Now we have no language. [13:01] We have no language to kill the fund. And I say this. It's like fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. Fool me 17 times. I should stop talking. And that's how I feel about Republicans in Congress. It's like I can't believe I'm even still fucking entertaining the idea that they'll do the right thing on this, that they'll actually deliver on something they say they're so against, which is the slush fund. [13:31] Collins for whom there's a specific place. And you know what? Like, [13:35] It doesn't count what Susan Collins and Sullivan did because if it really counted and they really didn't want the fund, they could vote against the final bill. They could vote against the final bill. They're all on their way out. Tom Tillis and Bill Cassidy are out. It's a joke. It's a fucking joke. At the same time, it's really important that this get done. I know. Because we cannot have a $2 billion taxpayer slush fund given to insurrectionists. Like, that is nuts. So someone, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. So I'm outraged. I'm incensed by the existence of Bill Cassidy.

[14:05] And I, you know, I look for redemption. I hope there is some for them. What's your level of concern that there hasn't been more drama around the ICE funding itself, which is sort of not even being talked about as much, partly because I think it was baked in that it was going to pass way back when, you know, the government shutdown happened or the DHS shutdown happened. I know you covered ICE detention centers on Runaway Country this week. I interviewed Andy Kim on Tuesday's pod, senator from New Jersey, about the horrific conditions at the detention center in Newark. [14:35] I mean, this is one that has been, like, making me quietly sick every time I see more stories because it's like... [14:42] I'm very aware that we finished the episode of Trump's America where there was the Battle of Minneapolis and then Christine Ome was fired. And then they pulled back and Stephen Miller was sort of like, you know, had to go back in his cave for a little bit. And so everyone moved on and thinks, OK, now things are good and things are not good. No, there may be fewer expenditures on expensive horse rental under Mark Wayne Mullen, the new DHS secretary. [15:12] As ever. Let's just I mean, just for people who have not paid attention to what's going on in terms of detentions. [15:19] Caitlin Dickerson, who we have on the show on Runaway Country this week, has been doing some essential reporting from on the ground. The idea of family separations is still happening. By her estimate, I think 200,000 parents have been deported and separated from their children, some of whom have ended up in jail.

[15:36] foster care, some of whom have ended up with other relatives or strangers. There's no tracking for that part. And they can't get their kids back. In many cases, they're in dangerous places where they have no home. They're facing threats of gang violence. Their children are locked in the United States. It is a devastating situation. So there's that reality. And then when you talk about what's happening inside the detention centers, I mean, there are, I think, 50 people have died in [16:06] in these detention centers is appalling. You're talking about medical concerns like people needing to see doctors for routine, small issues that... [16:15] when they aren't treated, become life-threatening issues. The lawyer that we spoke to, Melissa Shepard, from Immigration Defenders, talked about someone who had a hangnail that was left untreated and couldn't see a nurse, couldn't see a doctor, and eventually was at risk of dying from sepsis because of this. Right. These are I mean, then you talk about just basic. [16:34] basic, basic, basic, basic levels of care, including clean water. They're being given moldy food or not enough food or contaminated water. The latrines aren't being cleaned. Detainees are volunteering to clean up and create shifts because nobody else is cleaning the facilities. I mean, these are pregnant women, children, these are elderly people who need their medicine. These are people that have been living in the United States for like 20 years. [17:04] And that doesn't it doesn't make it easier. It doesn't make it better if they weren't those people. But they were integrated into American society. And even if they didn't have the paperwork, they were living like we are. And they have been shunted into a just dark and unimaginably depressing, devastating environment from which there seems like no escape.

[17:34] administration is cherry picking executives and making them the new head of ice. Tom Homan was a consultant to the GEO Group. A.G. Bondi back in 2019, another consultant to the GEO Group. It's a revolving door where, you know, the snake is eating its own tail. And as a result, there are, you know, GEO Group has made, I think, an 800 percent increase in profits between 2024 and 2025. It's really lucrative business to cram a bunch of people with no legal representation into subhuman [18:04] the government a lot of money for it. And that's what's happening. And now we're about to dump another $72 billion in ICE and CPB's lap. [18:10] And like... [18:11] we've both interviewed people who've been caught up in this and people who probably like have more means and maybe they're like Canadians that got caught up in it, but right. And, [18:20] They will say, like, [18:22] it's not even like they're just deporting people, right? Like, that's what I think people have this image of, oh, Trump wants to deport people and he wants to deport, you know, the worst of the worst, or maybe just undocumented immigrants. And obviously it's gone beyond that, but it's beyond just deportation, which in some cases would be more humane than what they are doing to people in these detention centers. Some people are like begging to be deported. Yes. Well, that's the point. I think one of the things they're doing is making the life so abominable that people just decide

[18:52] They can't be in touch with their lawyers. They're shipped around from detention center to detention center. They're lost in the system and they give up hope. I mean, it's an incredibly emotionally traumatic thing to be snatched off the street. Kids. Children taken or children themselves. Imagine like kids our age, our kids age and like what happens after you spend time [19:11] a month in a detention center like that. I mean, I mean, there's no oversight into any of this. And you see Andy Kim, who you had on. I mean, when you have congressional representatives who are, you know, tasked with oversight, trying to do their job, they are pepper sprayed, they are arrested, they are charged with crimes. I mean, and we have no idea what's happening in Dilley detention, which is where all the kids are. I will tell you, when I was talking to Andy Kim, [19:41] January 6th and he was in the Capitol picking up the trash. And, and like, I remember interviewing him after that and he was like, so still so like hopeful, even though that had happened because he was, and you know, when I interviewed him on Tuesday, he seemed like, [19:57] beat down. Yeah. Like when you see something like that, it's like and he's not the type of he's not the type of politician who's like hair on fire, partisan, this, that. He just he saw something. And you can tell he can't even believe what he saw. You can't unsee it or unlearn it. And I have to say one of the one of the advantages of the way the government is handling deportations right now is it's happening in large part behind the worst parts of it are happening behind closed doors. Yes. When Alex Peretti and Renee Nicole Good were killed, it alarmed the entire country

[20:27] And now the abuse and dehumanization of people is just happening behind closed doors. And they're brown people and they have fewer rights and there's less mainstream media coverage. And the federal government makes it very difficult to get information. Nonetheless, I mean, you know, this is happening in our name. And we are doing this to people who were once integrated members of our society who contribute to our economy and to the fabric of our democracy. And I just think, you know, it's devastating for anybody that works on it. But we should be I mean, we should be all more publicly devastated by it. [20:57] of this funding. [20:58] you know, these jabronis in Congress doing whatever they're doing, we shouldn't forget that the essential fight here, the reason this bill is happening through reconciliation is, [21:08] is because [21:09] Democrats didn't want to fucking fund ICE and CPB without reforms because what they're doing is an abuse of power. It is not constitutional. And that should always be the sort of end note for any discussion about whatever Congress ends up doing on reconciliation. Did you – one more thing on this. Did you see on Wednesday – [21:25] Homeland Security Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen refused to rule out his crazy-ass plan to basically shut down, not basically, it would, shut down international travel at airports in sanctuary cities by removing Customs and Border Patrol officers. So... [21:41] here, LA. I mean, the first threat was Newark because there were the protests outside the Delaney detention facility. And, um, [21:50] That is like... [21:51] I don't know whether to be like, that is completely insane and scary. And what are we going to do? Or like, go for it. Touch the stove. Shut down international travel in this economy to the United States. That's going to work. Yeah. No Republicans fly, though, right? They only they travel by pony. What the fuck? Can you imagine the hit to the economy? It would be so bad. It's such an example of this idiot ass administration cutting off its nose to spite its face. I mean, good job, guys. Like make gas a trillion dollars a gallon and then shut down air travel. Way to make America great again.

[22:21] I mean, and Mark Wayne Mullen in his notes on this plan suggested that it's something they've been cooking up for a while and they're ready to execute on it until and unless ICE officers are respected. Well, you know, on some level, I have to say, John, maybe doing that, I mean, taking the setting aside the hit to the economy. It's like at least people would be reminded. I know. This is an ongoing fight. I know. It's a it's a touch and stove moment. [22:51] Yeah. [22:53] This podcast is sponsored by Squarespace. Squarespace is the all-in-one website platform designed to elevate your online presence and drive your success. [23:01] Squarespace provides all the tools you need to promote and get paid for your services in one platform. Whether you offer consultations, events, or other experiences, Squarespace can help you grow your business. Squarespace offers a complete library of professionally designed and award-winning website templates with options for every use in every category. No matter where you start, your website is flexible to what you need. With intuitive drag-and-drop editing, beautiful styling options, unrivaled visual design effects, on-brand AI content, and more ways to list what you offer, no experience required. [23:31] Squarespace domains makes it easy to find the best name for your business at one fair, all-inclusive price. There's no hidden fees or add-ons required. Every Squarespace domain comes with advanced privacy and security tools included to ensure your domain remains online and protected. Plus, Squarespace provides everything you need to bring more of your dream to life, whether that means building a website or adding a professional email or service. Don't wait to claim your name. Invest in your dream domain today. Head to squarespace.com for a free trial.

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[25:21] So, good news for the brains behind the J6 slush fund. Trump announced this week that he intends to officially promote acting Attorney General Todd Blanche to permanent Attorney General Todd Blanche. The president's former personal defense lawyer has been on a roll since he took over for Pam Bondi. In addition to coming up with the slush fund, Blanche has brought a second indictment against Jim Comey for his seashell art picture. And he's also stepped up an investigation into John Brennan. [25:49] John Cornyn and Tom Tillis. Are we going to be stuck with Todd Blanche for as long as we're stuck with Donald Trump? Well, first of all, I mean, no matter what Tom Tillis intends on doing, there is the reality that Todd Blanche can stay acting AG and... [26:04] Till Trump is out of office. And I don't know if this is a time to mention the Julie Sue situation. But under Biden in 2022, he could not get his acting or his deputy labor secretary confirmed to be labor secretary, in large part because of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. We'll set that aside for a rainy day. [26:34] a secretary can become acting secretary for a largely indefinite period of time, assuming that the sort of paperwork around that is taken care of every year. And Republicans are looking at that, or the Trump administration, I would assume, is looking at that and saying, well, if you could do that with your Labor Secretary, Julie Su, we can do that with our wannabe AG, ring kisser extraordinaire, Todd Lynch. I mean, it's been the law forever, and it's sort of like the Vacancies

[27:04] on this, yes. If you are [27:06] confirmed to be a deputy something something at a cabinet agency it and you're going to be acting it is pretty easy to just restart the clock every year every year we're now we're withdrawing the nomination we're doing it again they're going to get a vote they didn't get a vote now we're going to take you know so like you can just play with the paperwork and and todd lynch can serve forever thank god for as long as we have done i don't know i guess good job todd you like what what how [27:36] No, he's got it. That's for sure. And yet he's not the worst, I think, of the nominees that have been proposed this week. Well, here we go. I'm picking it up for you, John. The Blanche News did briefly overshadow. [27:47] The appointment of Bill Pulte. Yes, the same Bill Pulte who's been using his perch atop the Federal Housing Finance Administration to manufacture mortgage fraud allegations against people on Trump's enemies list. Don't worry, he apparently still gets to keep that job too. [28:01] Is he doing such a good job? Good, yeah. Can he be the viceroy of Venezuela as well? Probably. We only have a couple people to do all the jobs now. No one else wants to work there. This is also the same Bill Pulte who Scott Besson threatened to punch in his fucking face. And it does seem like even Republicans and other Trump administration colleagues may not be super thrilled with making this doofus America's top spy chief. Let's listen. Do you think that Bill Pulte has the experience to be the acting DNI? I'll defer to the chairman on that. [28:31] speak to that. We have four more weeks with Director Dabbard as the DNI, and I look forward to implementing last year's Intelligence Authorization Act with her. I have no observations on the matter. Have you ever, specifically in the context of the intelligence community, heard the name Bill Pulte?

[28:52] In the context of intelligence? That's what I said. Did he mean like the intelligence community or just intelligence generally? That's my question. Tom Cotton saying, I have no observations on the matter. I know. That is all we got. Oh, Tom, you speak for all of us. Trump was asked about this one in the Oval when he was giving us his renovation updates. And here's his explanation. Why do you think, Mr. President, he's the best person for the job? Well, he's very smart. [29:22] A person who's got high integrity and it's an acting position. It's not a problem. He's not going to be permanent because, you know, I don't think he'd want to be permanent. And he may find out some things about the rigged elections, et cetera, et cetera. Does he have a necessary, in your view, Mr. President, a necessary national security experience to take on that position? Well, I do. And I think he does, actually, because he's smart. That's it. [29:45] Trump says you're smart. You have all the experience. What's your level of concern on this one? Hi. Very high. Hi, hi, hi. I think even and especially the fact that he's just serving for a specific window to find election interference right ahead of the midterm elections. What could go wrong? I will draw everybody's attention. Like as if you didn't give us enough examples of this person be clowning himself in life. Will Summer at the board. I'm so glad you brought this up. Oh, my God. It's such a good story. It's such a good story. Everyone go read it. [30:15] like much of 2023 trying like as a meme stock investor trying to get people to invest in like worthless shares of bed bath and beyond yes and as part of that this was his sole mission yeah that's all he did and like he basically they will will talks about how he organizes an event in december of 2023 at a florida hangar i guess like an airplane hangar that was dedicated to the

[30:45] Pulte sitting on stage, one promoter slapped a grateful supporter in the face with a green dildo, which was apparently a powerful symbol in their inscrutable online subculture. He uncovers what that inscrutable dildo symbolism means, and it's just as heinous as you would imagine it to be. This is the person that Trump wants to put in charge of our intelligence infrastructure. Do you see what he got at that event? So he was sitting there while the dildo incident occurred. [31:15] And then Palti was given a little trophy with a T-Rex on it, and it said... [31:20] Um, it said, Pulte only fucks the young. Well, okay. I think they were on two, it was two different sides of the trophy, but yes, if you put all the sentence together, that's what it would Oh, Pulte fucks only the it's yeah. It's only the young and he fucks. It's just, but they did it as a joke. He fucks is on one side and I believe only the young fact, the crackerjack fact checking. [31:50] to the phallic obsession of this administration, it is all just about dick swinging. And like, he proved himself to be both at once willing to be castrated by Donald Trump, but having some kind of dick to swing around at some point, or at least a dildo. I'm sorry that this has gotten so lewd. I know it's a family program. I mean, it's not our fault. It's not. It's the new acting director of national intelligence's fault. Who reportedly gave Trump the you are the you are Jesus JPEG. Yes. The guy, he's the original. Praying behind AI Jesus. And the 50 year mortgage boondoggle.

[32:20] No. [32:21] We're really talking about this guy. I mean, not only does he have, I mean, it's almost like the fact that he has zero qualifications for the job or an afterthought. He is completely morally and like, I would say ethically corrupt. He's a joke. And I think. [32:36] I would hope that Trump's suggestion that he'll only be in the office temporarily is some kind of hat tip to the fact that he knows that he's a joke. But that should not calm anybody's fears, because as you know, it's quite obvious. I mean, he's being put in there for one reason only, and that is to help Trump find a reason to say that the results of the 2020 election were fraudulent and potentially to say that the results of the 2026 midterms should not give Democrats the gavel. [33:06] challenging to, um, prevent the president from putting someone in a temporary position and, um, for, you know, for as long as he wants. Um, [33:17] Section 702 Warrantless Wiretapping Authority is up for renewal. That old chestnut. And both parties have negotiated, surprisingly, an agreeable solution to that. So they were going to put that up for a vote. But now Democrats are saying... [33:32] We're not going to reauthorize that if the person in charge of it is this fucking doofus. And they're wondering if enough anti-Pulte Republicans would join along, try to use that as leverage. I think I saw... [33:47] maybe Collins, Murkowski and Tillis voted for an amendment that would prevent Pulte from being a DNI chair that they added. But I don't think any of the other Republicans voted for it. I don't think it passed. Can I just say that?

[33:59] I can't believe you have to bait them. I know. You have to sweeten it. Like, we know he's a clown. We know he's a maniac. We know he's completely untrustworthy and could do crazy damage to the democracy. But if that's not enough, we're going to hold 702 FISA wiretapping reauthorization hostage. Like, it's insane to me that Democrats have to add a sweetener to attract more Republicans when this person is so categorically unqualified for this job. It's shameful. I wonder what John Ratcliffe thinks, who is the CIA director and, like, not my cup of tea, but... [34:29] Like a professional. Yeah. And, you know, I know that the org chart there is a little loosey-goosey, but he still has to, like... [34:37] Like this is the director of national intelligence. Maybe they just cut him. I bet they cut him out of all the important stuff. And then when Trump wants really bad shit done, then Pulte gets access to everything, which is what he's already digging up. You know, he's rummaging around mortgage files, trying to find fraudulent mortgage applications so that he can tag Letitia James and and Jim Comey. I mean, he this is all so utterly embarrassing. And yet what's crazy is we don't know what happened. [35:07] I don't know if the FISA reauthorization is going to be sufficient enough to get Trump's party to shut down the nomination of someone who could do grave damage, not just to the democracy, but even to them. You know what I mean? Once you cross Trump. [35:23] Once you're no longer in office... [35:26] anything's fair game. Like, they're in peril as much as anybody else. You know, there's a lot that, if Democrats take Congress, that they can't achieve in two years with Donald Trump as president because he's still got veto power. But...

[35:37] These are the kinds of things, especially Pulte, where if Democrats have control of Congress, you haul this guy in for questioning. You send subpoenas, not just for him, but for documents. You can make stuff happen if you control Congress with appointments this horrendous, for sure. It makes Tulsi Gabbard look like J. Edgar Hoover. Doesn't it? It does. I guess in the best possible way. [36:07] Pod Save America is brought to you by Wild Alaskan Company. The difference between low and high quality seafood is enormous, but it's also one of those things that's tough to accurately assess for yourself in the grocery store. Wild Alaskan Company offers the best way to get wild caught, high quality seafood delivered to your door on your schedule. Each Wild Alaskan box comes with individually portioned fillets, vacuum sealed, easy to prep and great for any meal no matter how quick or elevated. All fish is quick frozen fresh from the Alaskan waters, [36:37] texture, flavor, and key nutrients like omega-3s. It's fish you can trust with no GMOs, antibiotics, or other additives. Every order supports sustainable harvesting practices in Alaskan fishermen whose history is tied to the region and the practice. Gotten a couple boxes of Wild Alaskan Company. Everything tasted amazing. We ate some salmon. There was some whitefish for fish tacos. I think there's some halibut. It tasted fresh. It was delicious. It was super easy to thaw out or just keep in the freezer for wherever you needed it.

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[38:40] One more congressional development of note before we leave Capitol Hill. Four House Republicans, including Thomas Massey, joined Democrats on Wednesday in passing a War Powers Resolution directing the president to end military operations in Iran. Democrats and Republicans in the Senate advanced a similar measure a few weeks ago. [38:58] This is all largely symbolic, however, because Trump can just veto the resolution, which he's not too happy with. He responded on Thursday by calling the war powers vote unpatriotic. The Republicans who voted for it, grandstanders. And the Democrats, Democrats, which seems to be his new nickname of choice. We haven't played a clip yet of this on this program, but he has said now multiple times. He tells this story. He's like, no, a lot of people don't know that dumb has a B at the end. This is what he's been saying. And like straight face. And he's like, I call them the Democrats. [39:28] It tolls for thee. [39:31] People don't know all this time. You know, there's a B at the end of dumb. [39:37] Meanwhile, there seems to have been zero progress this week in actually ending the war in Iran, which Trump said Wednesday is, quote, not a big thing. Not a big thing for the U.S. It's a detour. I'd like to read you some rave reviews about the Iran war in the Wall Street Journal today, Thursday. Quote, it has achieved enough to produce a far better Middle East. [39:58] no deal is fine and quote, this is a new day in the Middle East. [40:02] Care to guess the author? I'm going to say, who, John, who loves ill-conceived regime change more than someone from the George W. Bush administration? Could it be...

[40:16] Condoleezza Rice? It's Condoleezza Rice! Pops her head up to... [40:20] Just give a ringing endorsement of our progress on Iran. Which is less welcome, the Jill Biden memoir or the Condoleezza Rice op-ed? Honestly, the Jill Biden memoir. [40:33] That's saying something. But only because the Condoleezza Rice one is like, what is this going to do? Also, what are you doing? What are you doing? [40:43] Let me burnish my reputation by defending a failing president in a wildly misguided war. That is commitment to the bit. She is a true, true neocon. [40:55] Till till the end. I read this and I was like, are you kidding, lady? The war. First of all, she writes about it in the past tense. And I'm like, wait a second. It drew America, Israel and Arab states closer through defense cooperation and intelligence. [41:10] What? It didn't draw the region closer. It also showed that although Iran can close the Strait of Hormuz, that leverage is limited. Is it? What? [41:20] It doesn't seem like it. His approval rating is like negative one million right now. And he's about to hemorrhage any leverage he has in Congress. Like, what in the fuck are you talking about? Also, and she's like, and do we need the enriched uranium? Sure. But that can be a tomorrow problem. Yeah. Yes, John, there are large stockpiles of highly enriched uranium somewhere in Iran. But this is a problem for the future. Not today. Really?

[41:50] Like, anyway, their ways of enriching it are probably dismantled or destroyed. Trust me. What? I don't, like... [41:57] Hindsight is negative 2020. The whole thing is just like we have learned everything. [42:03] I mean, I just the hubris, the foolishness. Anyway, I delighted in it, actually. It was a nice break. It was a palate cleanser. I was trying to figure out what it was. And buried in there is her saying, like, you know, no deal is fine. And that's better than a bad deal. And she said, under no circumstances can we be lifting any sanctions and giving the money. And so she is doing the classic anti-anti-Trump Republican thing of being like, I think we can play him. [42:33] the war went great, but what we really don't want is pellets of cash to Iran. And they don't want a deal where we unfreeze sanctions and unfreeze funds for them in exchange for getting rid of the nuclear material, which was the whole reason that we started the war in the first place, ostensibly, and opening the Strait of Hormuz, which was open at the beginning of the war. [42:55] And so she's like, yeah, I understand all that, but things aren't that bad. And so what she really wants is a deal to open the strait. [43:02] no money to Iran and then just cut and run. Right. I don't know how you negotiate that deal. And nobody seems to be able to. But like, I guess. Nice try, Condi. You're totally right that it's like we will stroke. The dog will come running at us with saliva foaming at its mouth. And we will stroke the dog right between the eyes, right between the eyes. And we will calm the dog down. And then we will get it into the cage. And I was like, no, that dog's going to fucking bite you. It's going to bite you. That dog is rabid. All right. Let's talk about the big

[43:32] beat Zach Wallace to become the Democratic Senate candidate. He'll be squaring off against Ashley Hinson in November in a race that Cook Political Report has now shifted from likely Republican [43:42] to lean Republican. So, Iowa Senate in play. In Montana, a Bernie AOC-backed smokejumper and union leader named Sam Forsag beat two moderate Democrats to become the nominee in the state's first congressional district, which Republican Ryan Zinke is vacating. Hot fireman dude. [43:59] Smoke jumpers. We need more fucking smoke jumpers. I'm sorry to curse them. We need more smoke jumpers. Please delete the fucking. We need more smoke jumpers. Smoke jumpers. I just look at what a smoke jumper was. I did. I actually just assumed it was fire related. It is fire related. I'm glad that it's not some acrobatics that I was unaware of. Like parkour for fire. No, it's like it's definitely fire related. And here in California, we're still counting votes as we will be potentially for another week or two. So embarrassing. I know it is embarrassing. [44:29] The governor's race shows Republican Steve Hilton and Democrat Javier Becerra in lead, though there's a small chance that Democrat Tom Steyer could catch Becerra as more ballots are counted. He's currently about 6% behind. In the mayor's race, Karen Bass is headed to the runoff in November, and currently Republican reality TV douche Spencer Pratt is in second. But there's also a chance that progressive challenger Nithya Rahman could catch him. She's currently 7% behind. Election analysts say that in the past the ballots got bluer the later they were counted, [44:59] especially true in this election, since a lot of undecided Democrats held their ballots until the very end. Like the people who usually sit at this table. Like the people who usually sit at this table. And me, I mean, I...

[45:10] I decided late before these guys, but I turned it in on Monday. Yeah, that's still considered late in my book. That's pretty late. Yeah, I dropped it in a box on Monday, so who knows when it finally got to the... May not have. Yeah. While we have you here in LA, what have you made of our California primaries? You guys need to fucking count your bones a lot faster. I know. There are machines that will help you. [45:32] I am... [45:33] We focused actually on both Texas and California in last week's Runaway Country, and we had the inimitable Daniel Pfeiffer on. [45:41] And it worries me. [45:42] As someone who would like to see a changing of the guard in 2028 about what this could portend for the Democratic Party writ large. It's a good point. Just because there's I mean, I think the gubernatorial race is a little different. It was hit with obviously the Swalwell revelations or accusations or whatever we're calling them. And that upended, I guess, the race. But there's a real lack of enthusiasm, no coalescing. [46:12] the most important state in the union. I'm a New Yorker, so I can't really give you that. But, you know, there's no clear agenda. There's a lack of enthusiasm. There's a sense that everyone's votes are very scattered and it's based on strategy. And that's not how you win a national election. And I worry that some of that can trickle down to what is going to be a very crowded primary field and where I think the order of the day is going to be electability, which is so what the [46:38] I mean, I guess it makes super important, super hard to define. Exactly. Very subjective and self-determined. Not totally subjective, though. You want to be like, well, you can't dismiss it totally and be like, well, it's all subjective. No one knows electability.

[46:51] Yeah, you can kind of tell, but it's also not perfectly objective either. Yeah, and the mayoral race really worries me. In many ways, the gubernatorial race, I will set aside to like sort of strange dynamics. But the mayoral race seems like an area where Democrats are having a really hard time articulating a message that is addressing people's deep seated concerns, so much so that a know nothing reality TV star sounds familiar, has somehow vaulted to the like the head of the pack. [47:21] real desperation inside, you know, one of the bluest cities and the bluest states in the country. So what does that mean for the country where it's not as blue and it's not as concentrated? I worry. I don't like what I'm seeing here. And I genuinely love this state. I have been like... [47:36] grumbling about this to anyone who listened, but... [47:39] all the Democrats running in California in these primaries, mayor and. [47:44] Governor. [47:45] Um, [47:46] Who's the really inspiring communicator? Yeah. [47:48] Who's really good? Who gets who's good at getting attention? Um, [47:52] Bye. [47:53] Just talking and not spending. [47:55] $200 billion, $200 million, like Tom Steyer did. [47:59] Not a lot of them. And then you have someone, Katie Porter is a good example. Here's someone who in 2018, rising star, great communicator, policy wonk, but also someone who was like, explain it in an accessible way, had the whiteboard. And then she has a [48:11] personal character issue, right? With staff. So then you got that. And that becomes a theme in the Democratic Party as well now, right? So you got that kind of person. You got your Nithya's like this, and a lot of other folks we're running to who are, like, good at the job. You can tell they're going to be good at the job, and they're brilliant people, but, like,

[48:31] Were they born to be campaigners? [48:33] Not really. We've had a lot of that in the Democratic Party. Yeah. Right. And then you have [48:38] The Becerras. [48:40] the Karen Bass's, who their claim to fame is just sticking around long enough and just hanging around Democratic politics and being part of the establishment and making enough connections in the establishment that suddenly people are ready to rally behind you. [48:55] Do you have good intentions? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure Karen Bass had great intentions when she took the job. And same with I assume that of Javier Becerra because I like to always assume well about people. [49:05] Karen Bass didn't adequately communicate in the last couple of years on this job. She didn't show the kind of urgency you need to show to be mayor of a city this large, even though it's a weak mayor. That actually means you have to work even harder to communicate in a weak mayor system. And, you know, I don't that doesn't surprise me because. [49:26] in Congress, as a member of Congress, which he was for so long, you can just kind of hang around in Congress and take your votes. [49:31] But like... [49:33] We need leaders. We need people to like stand up and and point somewhere and say, this is where we're going and this is how we get there and get behind me. We're going to get excited. And it's like, where is that? Well, and the party by nature doesn't lend. It's sort of antithetical to be standing up and guiding everything in the Democratic Party, which is much more of a consensus oriented group of people. Right. And it's much more inclusive and expansive and thought and agenda and all the rest.

[50:03] leadership. Yes. And it bums me out to say it because [50:06] First of all, it is really hard to run for office. It's a lot of sacrifice, and especially in this environment. It's like, why does anyone want to go through that? Right. And there are so many people who are going through it right now who are wonderful candidates who people will maybe never hear about because they're just putting their head down and trying to win their races. And they're not as flashy as some of the other candidates we talk about. And like, God bless them. But. [50:27] When we get to president, [50:28] This is going to be the challenge. Yeah, this is why it's spooking me. Because you can do that in a congressional race. You can do that... [50:36] probably even in the Senate race, [50:37] As you get to Governor... [50:39] in the state or as you get to a mayor or now, especially when you get to president, it's going to be a lot tougher to do that. Just sort of fake it. Yeah. You need the real talent there. It's true. I know that talent's come from California. JK, JK. It's a great state. It is a great state. A lot of great people here. A lot of great people. Favreau 2028. Yeah, right. Okay. [50:57] Right as we were preparing to record this, the much-rumored second New York Times story on Graham Plattner's problematic behavior dropped. This one talks about his relationships with his past girlfriends. Several of them spoke of him fondly. Three others the Times spoke to described, quote, toxic relationships that were unsettling. I'm going to try to quote as much as I can here because it's a lot to untangle in this piece.

[51:27] longtime conservative activist. He dated between 2013 and 2015. So I guess this is when he was in D.C. And she said that while Plattner, quote, never hit me, he once yanked her out of a cab by her wrist and also during one argument, twisted her arm behind her back, shoved her into a bedroom and told her to remain there until she was calm. Plattner strongly disputes any claims of physical [51:53] This is all according to the Times. Seems like every time you're on the show, there's a big turn in the Plattner story. So welcome back. Coincidence or not? What did you think of this one? I feel like I get the Graham Plattner hot potato landing. You really do. I really do. And there's not even Dan here to create some levity around the absurdity of all of this. Dan never gets it, by the way. [52:23] Like Platinum Mills. I, um... [52:28] I will say... [52:30] there's another part of the piece again, again, [52:33] quoted a quote or retold by this conservative activist, former girlfriend, where she says that Plattner had what she described as a warrior ethos and would fantasize about killing people he deemed a threat. She said that he told her that rape was about power. It was something that stuck with her through the years, she said. He said this a lot. If anybody ever broke in here, I would rape them, she recalled, saying that he added it would not be in a sexual way, not in a gay way. He was

[53:03] them that I'm dominant. [53:05] yeah [53:07] I mean, okay. [53:09] This is where it's like, this is really... [53:13] This fucking sucks. Yeah. [53:15] I [53:17] Um, [53:18] I want to be... [53:20] a person that has learned the lessons of, of like, if you have multiple people accusing the one person of very similar behavioral patterns, like there's a good chance there's something there. This story goes, I mean, they go out of their way in the Times piece to quote girlfriends who were like, he was a gentle giant. I have nothing bad to say about him. But then there are a handful of women who are like, I, you know, his behavior was horrible. [53:45] sometimes made me feel not safe. And then this one in particular, this one ex-girlfriend has the most distressing and in my mind, disqualifying things to say about him. And I think like, [53:57] I we can't this can't be brushed aside. [54:00] He has to, you know, tackle this head on. [54:04] And if this was a Republican, I'm not sure. [54:07] Everybody would say, [54:09] No fucking way. [54:10] I mean, that's just the truth. Like, with all of this, she also suggests... And then they'd be elected. Right. Well, fine. And ultimately, this isn't up to you and me. This is up to the voters of Maine. And this is a really interesting study. I mean... [54:22] So much of what Plattner represents was the left's answer to the toxic masculinity of the right. And what's really fucking unfortunate is that this kind of masculinity, if this stuff is true, is just as fucking toxic as everything being served on the right. And there has to be a difference. There has to be a difference between what the left is proposing men and strength can look like and what the right is, because otherwise we as women and citizens of a democracy are completely fucked. So I would love to hear a lot more from Graham Plattner on this.

[54:52] She also suggests that he taught her the name of his Nazi tattoo and knew very much that it was a Nazi tattoo called the Totenkopf. Which is the exact language that was used in... [55:05] Andrew Kaczynski's piece about this, because Andrew, who's a great reporter, I said this on Tuesday, basically reported that [55:12] an acquaintance of his said that he had told her, [55:15] my Totenkopf before. So I was like, the language was the same, so I wonder if it was the same source, but regardless. Look, I said on Tuesday's show that [55:23] Platner's biggest issue going forward is trust. [55:26] Yeah. And there are allegations in this story about the SS symbol and and when he found out and what he knew. And, you know, after that. [55:36] He got more questions about, you know, were there any more skeletons in your closet? [55:40] He said no. [55:41] Then the sexting story came out. He got more questions about whether there are additional allegations coming out from Democratic senators this week. And he said nothing like the rumors that have been circulating. [55:54] I'm not going to share the rumors here, but the rumors have been, [55:57] They have been actually much, much worse than what the New York Times ended up with. And he said, no, nothing like... [56:04] Those. [56:05] rumors that we've been hearing, which may be technically true, but now there's this story, right? And, [56:10] Even if he is completely telling the truth and this is it, and he really is... [56:16] a different [56:17] better person who, and he says in the story, I was a bad boyfriend, I drank too much. He has said all kinds of things about how horrible he was before he tried to turn his life around, even if he is telling the truth about that, which

[56:30] I can't judge. You can't judge. None of us can judge. [56:33] The problem is, [56:34] It's going to be really hard to blame voters who wonder whether they can believe it. No, you can't blame voters. Also, it's not even beyond just. And that sucks. Is this a person who does this stuff? [56:44] I mean, that's a fun, essential question. [56:48] Thank you. [56:49] It is... [56:51] It is like very difficult. Given how absolutely asymmetrical the value system is here, that a person who otherwise has adopted a very sort of strong set of beliefs and policies that would help a large part of this country and seems very much like he believes those things could be shut down based on this. [57:21] talk about rape like that. You cannot fucking do that. Those are not the morals of a sensible party. And I don't know. I gotta say because I... [57:33] I mean, I remember that I and I understand the repulsion of like having the DSCC involve itself in a Senate race. But everybody was like, Janet Mills is too old. And I remember talking to Dan about this and I was like, I mean, yeah, she's old. But like Graham Plattner has a lot of fucking question marks, guys. Yeah, well, I mean. [57:53] Here's the thing about that is two things can be right. Yes, fine. But I do think... Like, I think, like...

[58:00] People have, you know. [58:02] All I'm saying is, and I see that there was so much interest in the fact that he could be a new kind of masculinity for the left. And it's like... [58:10] I'm sorry that she's old and that she's a woman and that she was governor, but she was tough in her. I'm not a Mills person. I'm not a Mills person. But I'm not like an anti— Like, if they decide tomorrow, like, they're going to replace him with Mills, and it's like, I'm not going to be like, oh, no— Like, great, we need to win the fucking seat. That's the most important thing. It's not about—like, it's not about Graham Plattner, right? It's about winning the seat. It is, and you know what? It's a good fucking thing. I was back on the map, I guess, is the map. Well, it's also like—I do try to separate, like— [58:37] This is a political situation and this is like a personal situation, right? Like imagine if we were talking about this person and he wasn't running for office. Okay. Just as a, just as an experiment here. Cause this is, I think this is what has like been bothering me about it is like, [58:50] I do very much believe in the ability to redeem oneself and to change and to become a better person. And I still think it is very possible. [59:01] that this is the case with him, that all that stuff in the past is true. Yeah. And that somewhere along the line, as he says, he was like, my life is really fucked up. And, you know, [59:12] People say he's blaming the war, but every person who's fucked up is a product of their environment and their own choices. It's both, right? And so his own choices, his environment led him to this moment where he was really fucked up. He gets help. He tries to work in his community, organize people, tries to turn over a new leaf. And...

[59:32] Then someone's like, you should run for office. And he's like, me? What the fuck? And then he's like, okay, I guess. But what about my past? I was like, [59:38] you can do it, right? You're a changed person. And then he does it [59:42] And then this is what happens now. No, no, I'm just saying. Yeah. [59:46] the more these, I'm telling you what I feel like, like the more these stories come out, the more I'm like, [59:51] Yes, that could all be true. [59:53] But... [59:53] There's a bigger there's a bigger there's more at stake here than your personal redemption story because we need the sense. So that's where I'm landing. But I'm just saying I say one thing to that, though. Yeah, I don't think I mean, I think at essence, I wouldn't divorce the personal from the political in this in part because there's been such an assault on women in this country. Yes. Whether it's denying them basic reproductive health, continuing to drag feet on basic maternal health questions, especially in low income communities or on paid family leave. [1:00:23] value women and families. Like these are questions that senators are going to have to answer if Democrats have power again. Like there needs to be legislation to address the wrongs and the assault on women's lives. And, you know, you want people that see women as co-equals. You want people that see families as, you know, an important unit of American society and believe in the, I don't mean to sound like some family values Democrat, but I think, you know, it is, this is the reason

[1:00:53] And if you're living your life in such violation of some of those principles that you then need to turn into legislation, it makes you question how effective someone's going to be in office if they get there. I mean, that's all I'll say about it, because I don't. [1:01:06] I don't know if any of this is true. No, I don't either. I don't think the reasoning that he's given this far is sufficient to paper over this new reporting, I guess is what I would say. And I guess I'm just saying, like, don't. [1:01:18] Don't we want people... [1:01:20] who change. [1:01:21] and who are like, [1:01:23] what I thought back then, what I said back then, was fucking wrong, and I actually mean it. And... [1:01:29] Like whether it's a someone who voted for Trump and who supported Trump, whether it's a fucking oysterman in Maine, whether it's we're a party who wants to rehabilitate people who serve time in prison and give them a second chance who were murderers. And we get attacked for that by Republicans. We say, no, we think it's important to do rehabilitation. And again, I don't people are going to take this out of context. I'm not saying that. Therefore, Graham Plattner must get a seat. We must do it for him. [1:01:59] you [1:01:59] as a party. [1:02:00] Sometimes I think [1:02:02] that one of our, and maybe this is just me, but like, I want to, I want to believe well about people. And then I want to believe that when people fuck up and do something horrible, and are genuinely sorry, and genuinely want to change, that they are able to do that, and that people can accept them for doing that, no matter who they are. [1:02:20] what they believe, what their background is, [1:02:23] Fucking Donald Trump. No, not Donald Trump. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Todd Blanch. No, not Todd Blanch. That is like, that's just like me personally.

[1:02:30] This is this is divorcing it from the like, I do think this is a huge fucking problem right now. We want people who've made mistakes because life is full of mistakes. But there are mistakes. There are there are patterns of behavior that suggest that lessons are have not been learned. And then there are mistakes that you make and move past. And I just don't know which one this falls into. Yeah. And also it's like and again. [1:02:53] How many can you add up and pile up if you want to be a United States senator? Now, I also think that it's the other challenges, you know, contrary to what people online have said, like the guy generated. [1:03:04] an impressive amount of support in Maine. This is why it doesn't fucking matter what we say. I mean, we already know that, but like it really doesn't. Like it will be very interesting to me as someone who's interested in kind of the social currents. I mean, I say this as an armchair sociologist, but... [1:03:20] whether this is an issue for him. I mean, it's entirely possible that he can move past it, I guess. It's also, too, like, it's, you know, for all the... [1:03:30] what did Chuck Schumer in the DSCC do with Janet Mills? Or what did the left do forcing Graham Platt around? It's like, [1:03:36] No one forced Janet Mills on anyone. No one forced Graham Plattner on anyone. Main chose. Graham Plattner decided to run, and a bunch of people showed up. [1:03:43] Chuck Schumer wanted Mills to run and she said, sure. And she ran a campaign like and then the people of Maine came out. And you know what? We have a primary on Tuesday. And I do think like. [1:03:54] I mean, he's she's on the ballot still. There's like one other candidate as well. You expect him to get like if he was a normal candidate without scandal in a situation like that.

[1:04:04] 85, 90% of the vote. If he's down to like 60, 65, 60, [1:04:09] It's a real fucking problem. [1:04:11] Or if, and like, I don't want to just, because you don't want to just base it on polls, but like, you know, we haven't seen any polls post the sexing scandal, except for their internal, which had him only up four for a while. But like, there's gonna be plenty of polls that come out. Yeah. And we'll see what happens in the primary, but the party has till, I believe, July 13th, if he drops out to replace him with someone else. [1:04:32] There's some time here. There's another month of pain. I don't want to do this show until this primary is over. Same. Get me out of this seat. Same. But like you said, we'll end it where you begin. It sucks. It fucking sucks. It sucks. [1:04:55] Pads of America is brought to you by Z-Biotics. You've heard us all talk about Z-Biotics a million times. [1:05:01] We once again, when we got married the other weekend, he was giving up antibiotics to folks and the wedding and people were like, does this really work? I heard you guys talk about this on the pod. And every single person took antibiotics the next day was like, oh, wow. [1:05:17] You guys weren't lying about that. It's like, yeah, of course we're not lying about that. Anyway, Z-Biotics works. It's a pre-alcohol probiotic drink. It's the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by a PhD scientist to tackle rough mornings after drinking. Here's how it works when you drink. Alcohol gets converted into a toxic byproduct in the gut. It's a buildup of this byproduct, not dehydration, that's to blame for rough days after drinking. Pre-alcohol produces an enzyme to break this byproduct down. Just remember to make pre-alcohol your first drink of the night.

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[1:07:22] At Bilton's introduction meeting, which Weiss did not attend, maybe the funniest part of the whole story, veteran correspondent Scott Pelley accused Weiss of trying to, quote, murder the show, and according to recordings of the meeting that have circulated. Shortly after that, Pelley was fired, and then on his way out publicly accused Weiss and CBS leadership of instructing him to, quote, inject falsehoods and bias and unverified assertions into, quote, a politically sensitive story. You worked at CBS News for a while. I did. Yeah. [1:07:52] I know you've been writing about this story a bunch on your excellent sub stack. [1:07:56] How the Hell with Alex Wagner. [1:07:58] Perfect title. How the hell? Perfect. Great name for a sub stack. Care to uncork on this one? Yeah, I do. How much time we got. Can you hear the sound of me rubbing my hands together? Please do it. [1:08:08] Um, [1:08:11] So I have so much to say about this, but I know I can't spend an hour on it. I can't spend 60 minutes on it. Um, [1:08:20] It's appalling what Barry Weiss is doing. [1:08:23] It is all part of a project that, [1:08:26] Barry Weiss is a small player in a larger machine, which is for the Ellisons. I mean, I actually don't think David Ellison, who I refer to as Lord Collagen on my sub stack. Have you noticed how just not moving that face a lot, but also just ripe the ripeness of his cheeks and lips. Well, shiny. Very collagen filled, but not. I think he's naturally just. [1:08:47] Peach-like. Anyway. Sure. We'll go with that. He... I don't really... I mean, I think they're conservatives. This is... I mean, they are...

[1:08:55] they want to make a lot of money. And the way they're going to do that is by currying favor with this, the Trump administration by any means possible. And they've figured out wisely that the best way to do that and ensure that they can proceed with the paramount Warner brothers discovery merger, which is supposed to happen as soon as next month is to show Trump that they have no compunction about gutting legendary news institutions and destroying the fourth estate if it's inconvenient to this president. And that's what's happening here. And, [1:09:23] You know, Barry Weiss is... [1:09:25] a fool, I will say that. This is foolish, bad, amoral, unethical behavior. She is hollowing out this institution that was one of the last [1:09:37] We talk about this moment in American life when people used to gather around and watch things on the television. 60 Minutes is like the last bit of appointment television we have in the news industry. We've had a real monoculture problem in this country the last 10 years. And I don't think much is going to exist of it at the end of all of this. And that's a real travesty because I don't think you ever get those viewers back. I mean, that's the problem with broadcast. It's an iceberg that melts. And once it's melted, there's no refreezing. [1:10:07] And all of this is the people who count, [1:10:11] in terms of the Ellisons, life and financials say something about it, which means I sit here in Los Angeles, California. And the thing that the Ellisons are interested in is television and movies. That's their bread and butter. That's what makes money for the Ellisons and Paramount. And like, it is one thing for Alex Wagner and Jon Favreau to stand in solidarity with Scott Pelley and the staff of CBS and 60 Minutes. It's another thing for everybody who's on a Taylor Sheridan or Tyler Sheridan show to say, hey, you can't gut the fourth estate just because you want to make

[1:10:41] entertainment. It's like, where are all the people that have movies made by Paramount? Where are the people that have TV shows made by Paramount? I think this is their fight too, because this is an issue of free speech. And until and unless they stand up, it's not going to make a difference. News doesn't fucking make money. News is an afterthought. This is an inconvenience for the Ellisons. The only thing they care about is making money through entertainment. And until the entertainment world stands up and says, you can't do this, you know, a crime against one of us in terms of free speech is a crime against all of us. This goes nowhere. [1:11:11] um, [1:11:12] Nick Bilton, did you see his long note that he put out today where he was like, [1:11:18] We're committed to transparency and honest journalism. I've talked to Leslie Stahl and the remaining correspondents. You can tell he's a little worried. Yeah, he should be a lot worried. A lot worried. They promoted Maria Gavrilovic to senior producer, who we both know. I know I've known for a while, and she's fantastic. When I worked at CBS News, we were not allowed to cross the street to go over to 60 Minutes. You had to like- Oh, that's how they- Oh, wow. It was a separate office with better lighting, better everything. [1:11:48] Never knew what was happening. You know what's really annoyed me about this? I mean, a lot of it, everything you said is like right on. [1:11:54] The sources that are saying to media reporters about this, you know, the culture was... [1:12:01] kind of bad at 60 minutes. And it's not everyone, you know, all you all you TDS libs think it's all politics, but there was a culture problem that needed to be solved. And this is just maybe a bit of a rough way to do it. Fuck off. I mean, yeah, drives me nuts. Well, and as someone, I was on the fucking the farm team over at CBS, right? I was doing CBS this morning, CBS this morning on the weekends. Like I was the bottom feeder and you look enviously across the

[1:12:31] Investigative research and reporting they were doing was... [1:12:33] was bar none. I mean, there was just no nothing like it. And they deserved to be an island under themselves because of the rigor of what they were doing and the audience that they commanded. You know what I mean? Sorry that they were on top and sorry that it sucked for everybody else, and especially the CBS News division, which was starved into obsolescence and left to eat, you know, moldy green beans in the cafeteria from 1976. That was literally something that I did on a daily basis. But like, they they earned that reputation for a reason. And the schadenfreude [1:13:03] among news industry veterans and people who once worked there. Fuck off. This is not about like a dick swinging contest about who got what resources. This is about attacks on the free press. And this administration, through the lackeys that it has put in its corner, disassembling like one of the last great institutions. It's like, you think there's a culture issue? You think it's a fossil? You think it needs to be updated for the digital age? Fine. [1:13:29] Think about all the ways to do that that are not this. Because if you wanted to do that... [1:13:35] Um, like you'd have to be, you'd have to be really fucking incompetent to do it this way. More so. And like, you're not going to tell me like Barry Rice is a lot of things. You're not going to tell me that she and Nick Bilton and all the rest of them are this fucking dumb that they think that this was the best way to change the culture at 60 minutes. It's totally vindictive. And none of them have any qualifications. Like, show me, show me the media companies that either one of them have turned around. Show me the experience they have in television or broadcast or news. They got nada. [1:14:00] It's bad. Goose egg, baby. It's bad. All right. It's been a long show, but before we go, before we go, I have to... The deep teas. All right. So I'm just going to... You know some of this. You know some of this. I only... I kind of had two martinis when you told me that. That's true. That's true. I did tell you that.

[1:14:16] I'm just going to read aloud to all of you. [1:14:19] An email I received. [1:14:21] On March 25th. [1:14:23] A couple months ago now. Oh, my God. It's from TKO Events. [1:14:28] TKO Events sent it to me, Jon Favreau. [1:14:31] And the subject line of the email is UFC Freedom 250. [1:14:37] We are honored to invite you to UFC Freedom 250 on Sunday, June 14th, a special evening celebrating our country. This once-in-a-lifetime event marks a historic moment, and we would love to have you join us. This invitation is non-transferable and does not include a plus one. We need your RSVP by Tuesday, March 31st, as there are significant logistics with the White House. More details to follow. So I saw this, and it was like... [1:15:03] Uh, is this a joke? [1:15:05] Did someone prank me? Why am I invited to the White House? And then I looked, and in the CC line of TKO events was Ari Emanuel, who owns TKO events. And then I looked up TKO events. I'm like, oh, and they own UFC. And then I did a little digging. I was like, oh, so Trump had all his tickets. There's 4,000 tickets. Trump gets most of them. Some go to the military. 200 go to Ari [1:15:35] But... [1:15:35] is he thinks I was the other Jon Favreau. Iron Man Jon Favreau. Yes, because way back when... [1:15:42] I was represented at WME, and I believe that Ari was John's agent, and I think John must like UFC fights or whatever. But anyway, I RSVP'd, yes, because I thought...

[1:15:53] Fuck it. I'm going to the White House. Yeah, you fucking are. And I'm going to go in there. With a GoPro. And I'm going to check it out. Maybe I'll see my buddy Stephen Miller or my friend J.D. Vance and chat them up. [1:16:03] You're going to climb the octagon. Possibilities were endless. So I RSVP'd. I got this follow-up on April 2nd. Your ticket to UFC Freedom 250 in Washington, D.C. on June 14th is confirmed. No. Ticketing and arrival details surrounding your visit will be sent from TKO events during the week of June 8th. Please reach out with any questions and let us know if you're no longer able to attend. Thank you. So I'm like, okay, it's still happening. A few weeks ago on May 11th, I got another email. [1:16:30] So ahead of your trip to Washington, D.C. for the historic UFC Freedom 250, we are collecting identification details from each guest. Due to the heightened level of security that will be in place throughout the weekend, the information is required to ensure there are no issues with ticket distribution. So I gave them all my info on May 27th. [1:16:48] I got more details, including suggested dress code, business formal, a reminder to bring my government issued ID, instructions of how to get my ticket the week of the fight, a whole, whole thing. So I had I made plans. You bought a ticket. Bought a ticket. To D.C. To D.C. [1:17:05] Like booked a hotel, had a whole meeting here with everyone. Had a whole meeting here with everyone. It was, it's Sunday, June 14th. [1:17:13] The next day I was going to Chicago for the Obama Library opening. Heard of it. Heard of it. Probably not too many people going to both of those things. Nada. Very excited. Trying to figure out like, how am I going to play this? What if I get right? What's going on?

[1:17:27] And then today, another email from TKO Events. Too good to be true. Hi, Jonathan. [1:17:33] Now, when I gave all my info, of course, I gave my real info, which is Jonathan Edward Favreau. And the only thing that's different between me and the other Jon Favreau is our middle name. You know, he's he's he's J-O-N, too. But he's K. John K. Favreau. And I'm John E. And I think because then also they went with my full name. I think that they probably when they saw that, they finally checked the list. Our sincerest apologies. But we've just discovered there was a miscommunication about our allotted number of guest invitations for UFC Freedom 250 on June 14th. [1:18:02] unfortunately as a result we are under allotted and no longer able to accommodate your attendance we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause thank you for your understanding we would love to host you at a future event perfect [1:18:15] For the third inaugural. Fuck! I was so close. They got me. You know what? I knew something must have gone awry because you certainly wouldn't be broadcasting this No, I was going to keep it all secret. I wasn't going to say anything until I was safely out of there. [1:18:30] No way was I going to say anything. Perhaps I'm devastated. To anybody who's listening to this... [1:18:35] You should be watching it on YouTube because Favreau's like the way his eyes dance when he talks about this. It was such a fun story. Oh, my God. It's like watching a balloon take flight, like the glee. I will say, though, it's such a fun story. But as I was getting closer, I'm like, what is this going to be like? What am I going to do? Oh, I mean, I really was like, can we put a GoPro in your trench coat? Can we put Love It in your trench coat? Well, I was trying to figure out because I'm like, you know, went to White House events.

[1:19:05] At least we did. Yeah, well, but who knows what these people anything on the South Lawn? And I know it's high security. I'm like, I bet people are gonna be taking pictures all over the place in the South Lawn. So I didn't think they were gonna be taking my phone. But also, I was like, what if I get recognized? Are they gonna kick me out? What's gonna happen? Like, am I gonna talk to someone? I'm not the type who's gonna go up and like yell at someone. Maybe your shrink bill will be less because you had to have a lot of contingencies. But I mean, really, the service you could have done our country again, climbing the octagon, unfurling, you know, [1:19:35] the me cake banner over the White House portico. I mean, there were so many possibilities. What if they, I was like, is there going to be a lawyer on hand? Listen, precautions could have been taken. We would have gotten, the ex-exville team could have gotten you out. Like ICE was there. So a lot of ways it's could have gone wrong. Listen, I mean, I just hope the mistakes continue with their mailing list. This is a lot like, I mean, maybe you'll be invited to perform at Freedom 250 because they confuse you. [1:20:05] Well, apparently he's the greatest performer in American history. I do hope that – [1:20:08] other Jon Favreau gets his invite now. Other Jon Favreau. This is a Hollywood, you have a Hollywood audience. Yes. If someone out there can talk to Jon Favreau. And I, well, I did, I, I know Jon Favreau, but I, but like, well, but I've only met him a couple of times. Are you close to him? Well, clearly not close enough that I was going to tell him I got his invite. Exactly. You were going to take his, now he hates you. I'm sure. Yeah. It's like, he'll understand. It's a great story. If I showed up and just like sat next to Vince Vaughn. Well, that would have been interesting.

[1:20:38] Give this Favreau his ticket. That's a good idea. [1:20:41] No plus ones. Yeah, I would have to take it. Anyway, I'm glad that I shared that all with you. Got it off my chest. What a beautiful dessert. Beautiful dessert. Fantastically depressing episode. That is our show for today. Tommy will be back in the feed on Sunday. [1:20:53] with a conversation with the Bulwarks, Will Sommer, about the MAGA Media ecosystem and all the latest drama. So check that out. Have a great weekend. Thanks, Alex. Pleasure to be here, buddy. Positive America is a Crooked Media production. Our show is produced by Austin Fisher, Saul Rubin, McKenna Roberts, and Farrah Safari, with Ree Cherlin, Elijah Cohn, and Adrian Hill. Our team includes Matt DeGroat, Ben Hefcoat, Jordan Cantor, Charlotte Landis, Carol Pellaviv, David Tolles, Mia Kelman, Ryan Young, and Naomi Single. Our staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East. [1:21:23] Here, you're free to slow down, free to splash into crystal clear springs, feel Florida sunshine, and spend the day outside. Here, you're free to explore trails full of history on foot or riding horseback. [1:21:37] And watch for a bald eagle gliding overhead. This is Ocala-Marion County, Florida, where wide open spaces, timeless landscapes, and the American spirit come naturally. So go ahead. Find your freedom here at OcalaMarion.com.