Episode Revisit: The Survival Story of Mary Vincent, Patron Saint of Badassery

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[01:39] Thank you. [01:41] not in the pod lab nope we're in [01:58] Elena's room. Whoa. Whoa. It's purple. It is purple. It's very comfy in here. It's a nice dark purple. Yeah. [02:07] Deep dark purple. Me and Annie are painting our room and I think that I want to do like everything white with one accent wall. But then your room makes me feel like... [02:16] Do I want it to be like darker and homeier? [02:19] That's why I like it because it's like moody. [02:21] Yeah, you're a moody bitch. I'm a moody bitch, so this works out really well. [02:25] But this isn't a decorating podcast. It's not. What are we talking about this week? Death, crime, truth. Yeah. But you know what? This one is kind of good because it has... [02:36] A happy ending? Hey! So, I mean, there's some shit along the way. Spoiler alert! For sure. For sure. [02:43] But... [02:44] We're going to be doing... [02:46] One where some badass lady... [02:50] somehow against all odds in a situation that none of us could even fathom being in somehow pulled her shit together and survived yeah this case is bananas like badass woman alert [03:01] We are doing the case of Mary Vincent. And she is a baller. She really is. And we're going to focus mostly on Mary. We are going to talk about her attacker because he did some other shit, too. That affects her.

[03:18] as well. But we're going to focus it mostly on Mary. Yeah, because she's a fan. Because she's where it's at. There's a little true crime news that I'm sure everybody has heard about by now. We might have a new, very prolific serial killer on our hands. He's caught, luckily. [03:34] But this could be insane. He could be one of the worst. Yeah, I don't know much about this, so fill me in. So this guy's name is Samuel Little. [03:41] He doesn't have three names, but, you know, we'll take it. Basically, he could be one of the deadliest serial killers in history, which is crazy. [03:49] He has admitted to Texas Rangers that he played part in more than 90 unsolved murders in 10 states. Whoa. So he is 78 years old now. [04:01] And he's serving three life sentences in California for killing three women. So he's already away forever. And they said that so far they're able to match over 30 cases to him so far. Yeah. And that's like all that they – like that's crazy. Just 30 so far. And they said they have no false information coming from him. It's all – [04:23] been up to snuff so far. How did they get him? I don't know exactly how he got arrested for the three women, but he obviously got caught for other murders. Shit. And like I said, this would make him one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. Ted Bundy confessed to 30. [04:41] John Wayne Gacy killed at least 33 boys, but I think the Green River Killer had 49 that he was convicted of. He confessed to 71. So this guy would pass him.

[04:54] which is insane. Damn. Wait, so he has 30 and how many more? They've at least been able to connect 30 to him, but he's confessed to 90. And he's giving information to police about these 90. How the fuck do you kill 90 people? I'm saying. I guess he started way back in the 70s. The 70s were a wild time. Yeah, they really were. He's linked to possible deaths in Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, and Texas. Wow. Yeah. [05:24] This is kind of an ongoing thing, so it's going to be kind of one of those things that more shit is going to leak out as we go. Wow. But it's... [05:32] crazy. So we'll definitely be on the lookout for that one. And I think the only other thing that's been happening lately is that Chris Watts shit, the guy who killed... [05:42] his wife and his children and then blamed it on his wife because she's dead and can't defend herself. He's the male version of a cunt. Yeah, exactly. And now his mother is coming out and saying that the wife killed the kids. Like, my baby couldn't have killed his whole family. And it's like, that's exactly why your fucking asshole son is the way he is. Yeah. Because his whole life, his mother probably bailed him out of all his shit. It's like, nope, you need to look in the mirror and know that your son is a fucking monster [06:12] pregnant wife because he had a mistress and how do you say that about somebody that's dead like oh no they killed all the kids it's like you know not oh it just makes me crazy that case makes me nuts [06:22] um but yeah so that's i think that's all the stuff we have to catch up on the case that we're talking about this week is like one of my favorites it is it's such a good one i heard this case when i first started listening to my favorite murder and i was in my car driving to work on the edge of my seat oh yeah it's insane like

[06:38] There's a... [06:39] I'm sure you guys have all heard of the show I Survived. It's so good. It's so binge-worthy. But it's very heavy. There's a lot of heavy shit in that show. And I can't watch it live. Yeah, it's hard. I have to record it. Me too, because I need to take a break. And I have to fast-forward through the commercials. Oh, yeah, for sure. They keep you on such a... Oh, my God, yeah, because you know. You're like, I know they're going to survive, but I need to know how. So how did you do it? And this one in particular, at this moment, I still cannot understand. [07:09] how she got out of this situation. Oh, and I mentioned I survived because there was an episode about Mary and Vincent. So go check it out because it's a really good episode. Listen to this first, though. Keep listening. Please. So let's dive in. September 29th, 1978. [07:29] Again, the 70s, man. Damn 70s. Mary Vincent was a 15-year-old girl living in Las Vegas. From all accounts, it seems like she kind of had a troubled home life. I don't think there was anything... [07:43] No, excuse me, I shouldn't say I don't think. There's not a lot known about... [07:46] her home life growing up. Right. I know she was in a military family. She probably moved a lot. At 15, she was kind of at odds with her parents. And from what I read, it seems like she ran away from home this day and she was going to be running away to California at 15, which is like so young to me. It's like, I think of me when I was 15 and like,

[08:09] I can't even... Yo, sorry, Mom, but I was about to run away from home at 15. There's been plenty of times where I was like, I could run away. I could run away. 15 is a... And you know what? 15 is a shitty age. Oh, yeah. Like, I don't know anyone who was like, you know what? 15 was a great year for me. I had everything going on. I had it all figured out. They should have a show that's like 15. I survived. I survived 15. Because it really is that bad. It is. Like, 15 for me was shit. [08:38] absolute shit yeah same so thanks high school bullies or junior high bullies [08:45] Um, so yeah, so she was living in Las Vegas, um, on this day, she was hitchhiking from Berkeley, um, [08:51] Which was her uncle's house in California. Okay. And she was hitchhiking to her grandfather's, which was somewhere near Los Angeles. I'm not sure exactly where. I also don't know California that well. [09:02] Sorry, California. I was listening to California love on the way here. Of course you were. California love. Of course you were. [09:12] or is it r.i.p or is he living somewhere i don't think so i know i know i love that conspiracy theory though um actually shout out to last podcast on the left just for like a quick little break i was like i couldn't stop listening oh yeah i honestly i love last podcast on the left every case that they have covered they have covered so well like they just did [09:33] I'm just going to plug them like they need it, but whatever. They just did the West Memphis Three, which we will cover at some point. But that's going to be a very long, very research heavy case. They did it in like three episodes and they did it so well because you feel like you know everything about that case, but they did it and you felt like you learned more. Yeah. So shout out to them. So on this night, on this day that she was hitchhiking, she was standing on the side of the road with two other hitchhikers.

[10:01] They didn't know each other. They were just all hitchhiking somewhere. They all had signs saying where they wanted to go. Now, this is when Lawrence Singleton, Larry, pulled up in a blue van. Mary described him as looking like a friendly grandfather type. She was like, he's older. He looks like he could be my grandfather. And he was old enough to be her grandfather. [10:21] So she felt immediately like comfortable. [10:24] which is not a good thing. Also, apparently he was wearing blue overalls in... [10:28] Like, here's the thing about old dudes and overalls. Don't trust them. Well, especially, you generally get two kinds of old dudes wearing overalls. [10:37] Either sweet farmer types who just want to tell you the best way to get the beefiest tomato crops... [10:42] Or hillbilly mutants who think you look like their sister. Hillbilly mutants. So no bueno. If you're checking overalls, they're a no. No. [10:50] Yeah, don't get in the car with someone who has overalls. Like, sorry, everybody who wears overalls. I want a pair of overalls, but don't get in the car with me. No. Like, just don't do it. Too much room for comfortability. Yeah, exactly. So... [11:02] Larry was like... [11:03] I only have room for one of you in here. Meanwhile, he had a van. [11:08] Which is low-key alarm, or excuse me, high-key alarming. Yeah, like that's a red flag. I would be like, sir, you've got a van. Sir, you have a van. I don't know if you know what you're driving, but it's called a van. I have, I'm small. I don't need a lot of rounds. It's for me. So already... [11:24] These people with her were like, yeah, maybe you shouldn't go with him. And she was like, yo, I got to get to my grandfather's. She was tired. She had been like...

[11:33] you know, she'd been moving, moving. Yeah. And she, she was just like, I'm over this. I just want to get to my grandpa's house. So Larry was a 51 year old, former merchant Marine at the time. [11:42] He had just been divorced from his second wife and had a teenage daughter that was also 15 at the time. He told Mary this immediately. He was like, I have a daughter your age who reminds me of you. Okay, chill. And this further cemented his like... [11:56] Nice old, you know, older man. He's a father like he has a kid my age. And that's exactly what he wanted. So he told her he wasn't going to Los Angeles, but would happily take a detour to bring her there. [12:09] He offered to drive her to Interstate 5, which is the fastest route south. And she was so desperate that she was like, yep, I'll just get in. We'll do this. [12:18] So she got in the car. Now, she said it was pretty uneventful for the most part in the car. [12:23] until obviously a big event happened. But at one point she lit a cigarette and she sneezed and he immediately reached out to feel her neck and asked if she was sick. [12:34] Like he felt her like gland. And she was like, and that fucked her. She was like, nope, don't touch me. Like, that's weird that you just felt like you could touch my neck. And she said it made her comfortable, like uncomfortable. Like that weirded me out. But she ended up nothing else really happened after that right away. So she ended up nodding off and falling asleep. Don't fall asleep if you're hitchhiking. Yeah. In the 70s, this was totally acceptable. Everyone was hitchhiking, which... [13:00] I think we learned now that that was a bad idea because a lot of these people ended up dead. But now, definitely don't hitchhike now. Here are the rules of hitchhiking. One, don't. Two, don't fall asleep. Yeah.

[13:10] I'm sure we'll come up with more. Exactly. [13:13] So she ended up falling asleep when she woke up. [13:17] She noticed that they were not going to LA as promised, but instead were going east toward Modesto. So immediately she started to panic. She saw that there was a stick or like a, like a little yardstick or a surveyor stick on the floor of the van. So she grabbed it, held it out and demanded, she was like, where the, what the fuck you're supposed to be taking me to Los Angeles. This makes my stomach hurt. So he was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And he said, [13:42] He said, I am an honest man, and it was an honest mistake. I'm so sorry. [13:47] Yeah. So he was like, you know what, I'm going to take you there. I'm really sorry. I just wasn't paying attention. And she was like, okay, well, fucking take me there. So he was like, all right, let's pull over quickly so I can relieve myself and then we'll be on our way. So they pulled over, he gets out of the car and he goes somewhere to piss. She gets out of the car to stretch her legs. And she said she reached down to tie her shoes. [14:09] And that's when Larry snuck up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. Dear God. First of all, how did she even survive that? Exactly. Exactly. [14:17] And, [14:17] She immediately went out like unconscious. When she woke up, she was completely naked and tied up. Oh my God, I hate this. Right away after waking up, he forced her to perform sexual acts on him. [14:30] He also said something really disgusting as he was doing this that I'm not going to repeat because it stresses me out too much. But he was gross. He was a pig. He like... [14:38] shoved himself in her mouth basically he then raped her and sodomized her he then threw her in the back of the van drove to another secluded area and repeatedly raped her again she recalls at least six to eight times that he raped her and she said it hurt a lot the entire time oh my god during this he also made her drink some weird unknown substance from a plastic jug that she

[15:08] been anything. She passed out several times. And when she woke up at one point, he had thrown her onto the ground on the side of the road and forced her to lay down. Now she's naked, completely naked and tied up. [15:20] She started begging him to set her free because she was like, what's going to happen next? He said, quote, you want to be set free? I'll set you free. [15:29] Then he went to the van, grabbed a hatchet, and returned back to her. He then held her down as she fucking fought in scream and chopped her right arm off. He then hacked at her left arm until it was severed just below the elbow. Oh, my God. It took three strokes of the hatchet to sever that arm off. Oh, my God. [15:49] He cut... [15:50] both her fucking arms off while she was conscious with it the whole thing [15:57] fighting the whole time fucking hacked her arms off of her body like what a sick fuck that is some shit and like what does that mean like oh i'll set you free by chopping your arms yeah he's literally because and you'll hear he says it again [16:11] So like he's having to hold this poor nude woman down. [16:16] While she's screaming and crying and he's hacking her arms. Like that is, that's beyond my comprehension. Like who does that? Yeah. So she fell on her, onto her back after this, obviously, cause he was like holding her up, hacking at her arms. [16:31] And she said she caught a glimpse of him like twisting and shaking his arm. [16:35] And what was happening was her arm was still attached to his arm and he was trying to fling it off. Yeah. Yeah.

[16:42] He then rolled her down a 30-foot embankment. [16:45] And stuffed her into a cement drainage pipe. When he left, he said, okay, now you're free. And this place turned out to be Del Puerto Canyon, which I'm not familiar with, but I'm sure Californians will know. So, yeah, he leaves and says, okay, now you're free. [17:02] So I think to him, he was like, oh, you want to be free? I'll untie you. [17:08] And I'll leave you here and you can get out if you want. Like, I think to him, he was like, you're going to die. But like, you're free. Like, good luck. What is it? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? [17:18] blew my mind. [17:29] Allergy season? Ugh, let's not do that this year. Cancel allergy season. Get rid of her entirely with big savings from GoodRx. Seasonal allergy medication starts at just $10, so the whole family can avoid those itchy, yucky eyes, stuffy noses, scratchy throats, throw it all away. [17:59] pair prices, and get a free coupon to show your pharmacist. Use GoodRx to save at over 70,000 pharmacies nationwide, including Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, Publix, Kroger, and so many more. GoodRx is not insurance, but it could beat your insurance copay price. Whenever I'm sitting in line at the pharmacy in the little drive-thru, I'm always pulling up my GoodRx app, checking to see if my prescription has a coupon, and it always does. And nine out of ten times, it does in fact beat

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[20:07] neighbor, State Farm is there. [20:09] so he immediately obviously he thinks she's dead she's been wailed on the head she's been repeatedly raped [20:18] And she's had her fucking arms chopped off. And she's going to bleed out and die. And she's also been rolled down a 30-foot embankment. Like, there's so much here. So he left her alone to die and sped off. She could find that she fucking survives. [20:31] Yeah, just keep that in mind. She comes out of this. She is kicking, breathing, thriving today. She's a bad bitch. So at this point, she was like, okay... [20:40] I could die here or I could fight and stop. And in her mind, she said, I can stop him from doing this to someone else. Good for her. That was her thought process was I can't let him do this to someone else. [20:51] How do you have that coherent thought process when somebody just shoved your fucking arms off? It is like fight or flight. And she chose fucking fight. So at this moment, she was like, I need to, I need to stay awake. So she forced herself to stay awake because if she allowed herself to pass out, she would just bleed it up. She would just fall asleep and never wake up. Now think of all those times when... [21:14] You've just been sitting on the couch and you hit that wall of exhaustion all of a sudden and you can barely keep your eyes open. Now think of that as... [21:22] But your arms have been chopped off. You've been force fed some kind of weird alcoholic substance and you've been hit in the head with a hammer and raped repeatedly. How? I don't even know. Like, I never want to say I'm tired. [21:33] Mary's like, fuck you. Yeah, literally. So she forced herself to stay awake. And she said, quote, he threw me off a cliff. I should have broken bones. I should have bled to death. I didn't. And I never passed out. I remember everything.

[21:52] who wanted me to survive. A voice told me to get up and get help or someone else would die. [21:58] Wow. Girl. I got chills. I can't. She's... Ugh. [22:02] Mary. [22:03] Mary. I just can't even. Mary Mary Quay Contrary. Oh, you are just, I don't know how you did this, man. [22:11] So – [22:12] She ended up losing 50% of her body's blood supply. How did she not pass the fuck out? Because she's a fucking warrior. To stop it from getting worse, she packed her arms with mud to cut off the flow of blood. [22:25] First of all, I am 33 years old almost, and I work in the medical field, and I don't think that would immediately be my, like, I need to pack these severed arms with blood. She was 15 years old. And how did you do that with both of your arms? Exactly. Like, you didn't even have another arm to pack with. [22:46] I, there's just so much about this that I'm like, who are you? What are you? What kind? Like, we don't deserve you, Mary. No. So she walked herself up the 30 foot cliff. She had been rolled down without arms. [22:58] Like, think about that for a second. How hard that would be to do with arms walking up a 30-foot cliff. Never mind without arms. It took her hours and hours and hours of fighting up this hill with only 50% of her body's blood and a head wound. Jesus Christ. And she said it took all day, like a full day to get up that 30-foot cliff. I believe it. So she finally reached the, because she said she could hear the freeway above. She just wanted to get there. She's like, I just got to get there. [23:22] So she finally reaches the freeway.

[23:24] And ended up walking for three more miles. [23:27] before seeing a car finally. It was a convertible with two men in it. They pulled over, like, a little bit, but once they saw her, they sped off. And, I mean, she was nude. She was completely battered. She had no fucking arms. She probably didn't even think it was real. And was bleeding profusely. That's horror movie shit. Like, that... And she says... [23:48] to this day, she said she can totally understand why they were terrified and spread off. Like, she was like, I do not hold that against, like... [23:55] So she said at the time she was holding up what was left of her arms in the air. So, quote, the muscles and blood wouldn't fall out. Wow. So she was holding her fucking like what's left of her arms up in the air. Now, luckily, a couple who were tourists and had like taken a wrong turn. Like what a wrong turn. Weren't they on their honeymoon or something? I think they were. I think they were. I've read that a couple of times. Yeah. So they might have been on their honeymoon, I think. [24:20] They picked her up and they immediately wrapped her in linens from their car before driving her to a nearby airport and calling 911. Now, I mean, because it was the 70s, they didn't have a cell phone. So they had to drive to a phone. All she could say was, quote, he raped me over and over again. Oh, my God. She went by helicopter to the hospital. [24:40] And at the hospital, like she just continues to be. [24:45] like a fucking warrior. She gets to the hospital and she doesn't sit there and be like, all right, now I'm going to take a break and like rest of my, my weary soul right now. She was like, Nope, I can describe this motherfucker to an absolute fucking T. Let me give you it. So she can describe him so perfectly that the composite sketch of him was like a photo. They said, we'll post it. Yeah. It was immediately released to the media and Larry's own neighbor who was his friend,

[25:12] like was a friend of his, saw it, and was like, whoa, that Larry. And they called and told the police, I know who that is. And it was their friend. That's how clear it was. So they were like, that's fucking Larry. That's insane. Mary also picked his picture out of six others before the grand jury at one point. Wow. So in 1979, he went, so they picked him up. There's not a lot of like how they found him or, you know, like she knew who he was. She picked him. Look at this motherfucker. [25:40] That's a dude. [25:42] He dead now. His nose looks like a penis. Yeah, his nose is a lot. [25:46] So in 1979, he went to court and Mary testified against him after all she went to at 15 years old. That is insane. Badass. Mary stood up in front of the court, pointed one of her hooked prosthetic arms at him. And she was like, that's fucking him. And she will to this day, she will only refer to him as, quote, my attacker. Yeah. [26:11] She won't refer to him as... And he doesn't fucking deserve a name. No, he doesn't. So... [26:16] Larry said he was drunk that night and described Mary as, quote, a $10 whore. What the fuck? Yeah. He also claimed that the two other hitchhikers were in the van as well, including another Larry. [26:28] So he said if anything happened to Mary in his van and the blood and other physical evidence presented at trial proved that it did, then he said the crimes must have been committed by, quote, the other Larry. So like, yeah, so he insisted on being framed. Later, when he became a little more forthcoming, he mentioned that he had cut off her hands because he wanted to remove the ID.

[26:49] Yeah, dental records are a thing, you fucking $10 dumbass. But, uh... [26:54] after testifying mary quickly left the courtroom and she did this because larry made a very quiet comment to her and she just rushed out of the courtroom later he admitted what he said to her i remember he told her quote i'll finish this job if it takes me the rest of my life like go fuck like are you kidding like can you fucking imagine that [27:18] After all you've gone through, this dude's like, I'm going to finish this. Like, fuck. I feel like I'll finish you, sir. She was obviously... [27:25] Fucking terrified. [27:26] Um, afterwards her parents came to get her, but, and, but she said they were kind of like, they couldn't really help. Like they didn't have the relationship that needed, that they needed to help her. Yeah. They said, she said, quote, yeah. And she said, quote, they couldn't handle it. They took it harder than me. I'm telling them I need you, but they couldn't do it. They were more interested in what they felt about what happened to me than what I felt. So Larry ended up being [27:53] A whopping number of charges. Attempted murder, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, oral copulation, aggravated mayhem, and the use of an axe to cause great bodily harm. [28:04] Now, at the time, he got the max sentence for this. [28:08] Which was only 14 years in prison. I'll leave. Like, are you kidding me right now? [28:14] Well, it gets worse. All those charges and you get 14 years. Yeah. Like, what the fuck? All those, like, terrifying charges. You chopped somebody's arms off. Fucking attempted murder. Like, it's insane. He thought she was dead. He left there thinking she was dead. She was going to die.

[28:28] Well, it gets worse. [28:29] He only served eight years out of that because he got off on good behavior. Okay, good behavior. You fucking chopped somebody's arms off. Exactly. It's like, I don't give a shit if you always, you know, keep your cell clean and always say please and thank you to the prison guards. I don't give a shit. You raped somebody repeatedly and tried to chop their arms off. And then said it was the other Lawrence. [28:53] Yeah, fucking poor other Larry. That probably doesn't exist. Well, it gets even worse. [28:59] When he got out, he immediately tried to sue Mary. [29:02] For what? So while in jail, he said, and this is the way it gets funny, he said he considered the alleged events. And he was like, nope, I didn't do that. Oh, my God. He said he remembers Mary threatening to accuse him of rape and that she had brandished a stick at him. He said that's why he became violent. [29:20] So he filed a complaint suing Mary for, quote, forcible kidnap for the purposes of robbery. Are you kidding me? Luckily, the courts dismissed it. They were like, yeah. They were like, you're a fucking asshole. [29:33] So after he got out of jail, after eight years, [29:38] eight years later like goodbye like she's barely even beginning to cope with this at this point so well she said she was afraid to stay in one place for too long she went through a series of bodyguards and she ended up living in a deserted gas station at one point holy shit yeah like she really like went down a bad path she said she was depressed she had crazy anxiety of course she did her relationship suffered i mean with family friends like romantic relationships like it was a really dark time um

[30:06] She eventually had two sons of her own. And in her words, quote, when I became a mother, I really had something big to live for. [30:13] And she says there, like, what caught her. That's amazing. I love it. I mean, his release was controversial, obviously, to Mary, but it was controversial to everyone. Yeah, it was like nobody wanted him to live anywhere. Yeah, well, it was bonkers because, I mean, that's eight years. His own daughter didn't want him loose. Wow. So his own daughter said that he had attacked and abused her and her mother. [30:38] And in fact, her mother once told her that she was surprised that she had been born without complications because Larry had beat her mother while she was pregnant with her. Oh, my God. Yeah. [30:48] So when she found out that he was getting out of jail, she also fled and hid like Mary did. She asked law enforcement if there was any way they could keep him behind bars. Like, what the fuck, Florida? Yeah. And she... [31:03] Recently, well, this wasn't in Florida. [31:06] Oh, I thought it was. No, this is in California. Oh. But, um... Didn't he... I think he had to go to Florida. He goes to Florida. Yeah, we're going to get to that. What the fuck, California? [31:16] So... [31:16] His daughter, who I won't name because I don't know if she wants her name out there. She recently spoke to a woman who runs the site familyarrested.com, which helps family members of, like, shitty people who have done awful things cope with their own, like, victimhood. Yeah, I'm sure you do. Because it's such a unique experience to be, like, the daughter of a fucking monster or the sister or the spouse or the mother, you know.

[31:40] So she had this to say to this woman about her father. It's a big, long quote. [32:10] I was afraid my father remained a threat to my safety and was in general still dangerous. [32:15] When I was 21, I quickly made several changes to my life. I graduated from college with my first degree. I changed my last name legally. [32:23] I moved from Nevada to California. [32:26] then moved back to Nevada to marry my college boyfriend. When I left Reno, I told anyone who my father might possibly contact to try to find me to tell him I, quote, flaked out or something. [32:37] got married to someone they didn't know and left town. [32:40] I gave them a P.O. box so we could stay in touch. [32:43] I realize how naive this sounds today as I write this, but I was concerned he might hurt or harass him. When I was about 20 years old with the assistance of a Ph.D. psychology intern, I had written a letter to my father telling him I was terminating our relationship. [32:56] I asked California prison personnel what could be done to keep him in longer, and I was told there was nothing. They suggested I obtain a restraining order at the time of his release. Sorry, but I mean this quite sarcastically. I tell you he is a danger. I said that before the first crime. I've changed my name multiple times and am moving across state lines, and you all suggest a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where I am, what my name is, and not to come within, say, 300 feet of me?

[33:26] woman who I had moved in with and lived with from about age 15 and a half until I was 18 had discouraged me both from terminating the relationship and from considering changing my name. She told me it was my quote responsibility to, I don't know, not hide. I then and now wonder if she was not motivated by fear of my father. That's insane. That's his own daughter. I've said that so many times. It is. It's so insane. And that's, it's like, that's his fucking daughter. [33:54] She was always so afraid. I mean, she obviously was so afraid of him. Oh, yeah. [33:58] And to hear that he not only abused her, but abused him. [34:02] her mother too before she was born and while she was gestating like that's insane like i would say that it takes like a like super fucked up person to like hurt a pregnant person but this guy literally chopped somebody's arms yeah so it's like he is he has no low he doesn't i don't know where he would have it's it's shocking that he didn't start earlier and didn't rack up a higher [34:24] I sincerely hope that, like, there is a hell just for people like this. Yeah, just something. Something like that. [34:41] You guys, your girl has been traveling a lot lately. I actually feel like I'm like a part-time New Yorker at this point. If you're traveling, make sure that your house is protected while you're gone. SimpliSafe offers 24-7 effective, affordable professional monitoring with no long-term contracts. With SimpliSafe, you get a fully customizable system that's easy to set up. Get features like comprehensive sensors and indoor-outdoor cameras protecting against

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[38:25] Well, obviously his daughter was very right to be concerned because, um, [38:29] When he got out, when he was paroled, California was like, nope, we don't want him. So they protested to not allow him to move into their communities. Literally one California community after another. [38:43] told parole officials that they could not relocate him there. Good. He was finally forced to live in a mobile home on the grounds of San Quentin prison until the end of his parole in 1988. So... [38:56] Wherever he was going next, he had to register, which he went to Florida. So he had to register with the state of Florida as a convicted felon. His move to Florida, where he was originally from, was... [39:07] Uh, not smooth. [39:11] Um, he was one of eight kids in his family originally, and that's where he was from, like I said. So he had a lot of siblings living in California or Florida still. And at first he moved into his brother's home, which soon... [39:22] became a target for people who were like this is a fucking crazy person why is he coming into our community they had a firebomb tossed into their front yard oh my god um protesters showed up at court hearings where he appeared um because he ended up having some i think it was like shoplifting charges in florida because he just kept being a fuckhead of course so whenever he would go to court hearings for that protesters would show up [39:46] Because I think between 1990 and 1991, he was arrested three times shoplifting. At one hearing for these, he described himself as, quote, a confused, muddle-headed old man. Yeah, you're more than confused. Like, I love how it's just like, I'm just confused. I'm just an old man. You don't seem confused. No, you just seem like a giant fucktard. So after living with his brother, his brother was like, yo, you got to get out of here because this firebomb's being tossed into my yard.

[40:16] family in Orient Park in Tampa. [40:19] His new neighbors? [40:21] Thought he was a fucking great guy. Oh, God. Yeah. His next door neighbor at the time, Tom Bennett, said, quote, we were scared of him at first, but every day he'd talk to you. He'd cook steaks and bring them to you. Don't eat those. He fixed up his property really good. He was the neighbor you dream of. I started to believe him. Maybe he was framed. [40:41] No, he wasn't. No. Well, they find out that he wasn't. Uh... [40:46] So he I mean, he lived alone. He spent most of his time just remodeling his house and landscaping his property. Several of his brothers and their wives visited often. He had a dog named Kala, who was a Rottweiler that he apparently loved. [41:01] They said he was also solicitous offering to repair a neighbor's broken mailbox one day. He would go to see his neighbors like bands play at bar. Like he was very much in the neighborhood. Yeah. [41:13] Like a part, he was like one of those neighbors that's like in with everybody. He was a townie. Yeah, exactly. Which is crazy. [41:19] So some of the neighbors knew the whole Mary Vincent thing, but some didn't. The ones who did were just, like, forgiving eventually, which is crazy to me. I would... Insane. I just wouldn't be. If you chop off somebody's arms, you're just not good in my book. No, it's like, I just can't be like, well, maybe he was frantic. Like, no, that's too much. No. So one of his other neighbors said, quote, we didn't like the idea that something had happened. Like, what?

[41:49] Yeah, I don't want to give that many people a chance. [42:02] Chopped arms off and threw a woman off a cliff. Something happened. That's not really just casual behavior. Yeah, it's just like, you know what, we don't love that about him, but... [42:12] We're going to give him a chance. I'd be like, yeah, we're not going to do that. I don't know. I feel like it's like when somebody's like, yeah, I've been arrested for shoplifting quite a bit. You're like, ah, right. I don't like that that happened. Don't come to my house, please. Yeah, like, don't come around my valuables. But, like, I don't like it. But we'll give you a chance. Yeah. This, not so much. So this is interesting. Three weeks before he ended up being arrested in Florida for something we will talk about in a moment. [42:36] Neighbors had to save him from his van because he attempted suicide in his driveway. [42:42] His neighbors said he was found breathing the van's exhaust through a dryer hose that he had attached to the tailpipe. After this, he spent about a week in a psychiatric ward before returning back to his home. Tom Bennett, his neighbor that said before, like... [42:56] We were scared, but he was good and he cooked steaks. He was great. He said, quote, he told me he was feeling sorry for himself, but he didn't give any more explanation for why he did it. Why the fuck are you feeling sorry for yourself? Why don't you feel sorry for the girl whose arms you cut off? Exactly. Well, about 6 p.m. on a Wednesday night in February 1997, Hillsborough County Sheriff's officials said a man who had done some renovation work for Larry dropped by his house and...

[43:23] And heard what you might say is a commotion inside. Uh-oh. So he was like, what the fuck's going on? So he peered in through a window... [43:33] And he saw Larry... [43:35] butt ass naked in the living room choking and punching a woman and stabbing her repeatedly the woman was nude and on the couch and was screaming for help jesus and he was they said he was like maniacally just stabbing at her and like and punching her and believable yeah a deputy who responded to the 911 call says larry answered the door and [44:00] Completely covered in blood. [44:02] And he was just like, hey, what's up? Yeah, he was just like, oh, hey. And the woman was dead. The victim was identified as Roxanne Hayes. She was a 31-year-old sex worker and a Tampa resident and mother of three. Oh, my God, that's awful. Nobody knows exactly, you know, what the whole scenario was. If she was there for some other reason or if she was, like, there on business purposes. Either way, it's fucking awful. So the state of Florida flew Mary down for this trial. [44:32] because she didn't have to testify, but she was like, oh, I'm a testify, which is like, oh, my God. She's like, oh, by the way, Lawrence, I'm a finish. Yeah. Like, don't worry. She's like, you thought you were about to finish something? Like, crazy. Crazy. [44:46] So she didn't flinch when they asked to identify him. And she said she didn't dare take a deep look either. She was like, I don't. She said, quote, I wanted to see his eyes. Eyes are important. When he was on top of me attacking me, I was looking at the axe trying to stay alive.

[45:01] I asked later if I could look at him in the eye, but it didn't happen. [45:05] Ugh. Which is like, ugh. It's like just so blah blah blah. So fucked up. Now, this time, he was convicted of murder and sentenced two deaths. Good. Die, bitch. Unfortunately, he died in 2001 on death row of cancer at age 74. Which is a bummer. Yeah, I wish that he actually got to be in. I hope he suffered. Yeah, I wonder, do you know what kind of cancer he had? No, I don't. I tried to look it up, but I couldn't find it. I hope it was the worst one. [45:35] penis cancer. I don't know. That particular one. I hope he had it. Yeah. That's what you get for raping people. Yeah, I hope he just had all the cancers. Yeah. [45:44] So the prosecutor, Donald N. Stahl, who is now retired, but he said, quote, I'm not going to say he's Hannibal Lecter. But once a guy like that has a certain bend, he follows it for the rest of his life. This guy has a personality that's bent in the direction of going after women. So this case actually helped. [46:06] Donald Stahl, the prosecutor, get legislation in front of the people it needs to get in front of that would make mandatory terms for most violent crimes. And as a result, they can now say that at this time, the shit that he did to Mary Vincent would result in a life sentence. Like that would not happen again the way it happened. Because they're like, look, we gave him 14 fucking years, which is nothing.

[46:36] someone else. Right. Like, this is ridiculous. This is a fucked up thing. Yeah. So, one of his neighbors... [46:42] said quote when i found out about what he had done the first thing i thought was should i have left that man in that van that day if i had known i probably would have at least given it a second thought yeah you should because that's the other thing it's like now all these neighbors who like rushed to help this guy were like shit we saved his life and he went on and killed someone exactly i don't blame them for being like should i have fucking left him in his van who knows if he like [47:12] DNA is in the 70s. It's so hard to pinch it on. I'm sure this guy killed other people. He could have done stuff before Mary. He could have done stuff, you know, in between. It's just crazy. [47:24] So as for Mary, who is the real star of this whole thing, she says that she still has a lot of nightmares, right? [47:31] Um, she's still afraid to go to sleep and can't sleep for very long when she, uh, when she actually does. She says, quote, I've broken bones. Thanks to my nightmares. I've jumped up and dislocated my shoulder, just trying to get out of bed. I cracked ribs and smashed my nose. Um, [47:49] Every day I pray to God to make a space I can breathe in, and every day God gives it to me. [47:53] And she's now an artist. [47:55] She doesn't have arms and she's a fucking artist. Oh my God. And this is a skill that she said she just happened after this whole thing. She said she couldn't draw a straight line before this. That's a miracle. Yeah. Which is insane. So she does, do you draw with like prosthetics? Yeah. Like she uses her prosthetic hooks and that's the other thing. She's like a tinkerer. So she makes her own prosthetics to like work with what she wants to do. Wow. Yeah. She said in this, I love this. She says she has entered the third phase of this whole ordeal. Now,

[48:25] first she was a victim, then a survivor, and now she's an artist. [48:29] Which I love. I love that. And as an artist, she focuses on she says she focuses on powerfully upbeat women. She uses chalk pastels and she works in a vein that kind of blends like the Vargas pinup girl style. And she creates her own basically like femme fatale. [48:50] actual figures, which I just think is so badass. That is. And... [48:54] Oh, yeah. So like I said, she's like a tinkerer and she makes her own shit. She uses spare parts from broken down refrigerators and old stereo systems to modify them like her prosthetics to be what she needs them like the fingers turned in all directions like and she does it herself. She said, quote, I like to tinker. [49:14] So did my grandfather. He was an artist, too. I guess I get it from him. There's all this stuff in the world that's been discarded. If you keep working with it, it will work with you. Which I'm like, I love that. I love that. And she... [49:27] She started the Mary Vincent Foundation to advocate for teenage victims of sexual assault. Really? Yeah. And she, and I'll just end this with a quote from her. She said, quote, I've never indulged myself in anger and hate. I wouldn't be here if I had. That is so fucking big of her because I would be the most angry, hateful person if this shit happened to me. That's the thing. It's like, how do you not come out of that with so much hate, anger, just bitterness,

[49:57] annoyed at times, but [49:59] Like, for her to come out and just be like, nope, like, I'm not going to take that. She just is living her life, like, the best that she can. Yeah. And it's like, and she... In a pretty remarkable way. And she must be so fucking annoyed. [50:09] That it's like they gave him such a lenient sentence and he went out and killed a woman. Well, because that was her main thing that she went to trial for so that he wouldn't do it again. Exactly. And that's the whole reason she survived. [50:20] Her whole mindset was, I have to survive so he doesn't do this to someone else. [50:25] And then the system let it happen again. Yeah. After she fucking survived all that shit and like used every fiber and cell in her body to survive that whole thing. Just so. Yeah. [50:38] not for herself, but for him not to do this for someone else. The system allowed him to just walk out and do it again. So messed up. And it's like the poor family of, you know, Roxanne, this could have been avoided. This dude shouldn't have been out in the fucking, yeah. Her three children. It's like this dude shouldn't have been out loose. And I'm sure his neighbors, because I know I read a lot about his neighbors being like, this dude should not have been allowed to live near us like this and to [51:08] Like, this is crazy. [51:10] I'm so glad that this case... [51:12] Which is, I mean, this is all, like, because of Mary. Like, this case changed things so that this kind of... [51:19] attack is not seen as something that you get a max of 14 years and serve eight years. [51:25] for, you know, like now you're getting life for this kind of shit. And you should. Because if you're capable of doing this, you're not going to be rehabilitated. It's just not...

[51:32] Something that's going to happen. No, we're not. No, we're not. [51:35] So it makes so much sense. It's like that and pedophilia. [51:39] pedophilia you can't rehabilitate it no like those people need to be like away from the rest of society and i know fucking qualms saying that no it's true [51:49] But, yeah, so that is the fucking... [51:53] Bonkers story of Mary motherfucking Vincent. That is, I can't even. The patron saint... [52:02] Of badass bitches. [52:05] Like she needs her own, you know, those true crime candles. [52:08] Oh my god, yeah. Which also, like, someday I hope our faces are on one of those. That's like my goal. That's the goal. That's the dream. Oh my god. Like, just putting that out there, true crime candles, someday. Just saying. Someday. Someday. We'll earn it someday. But she needs to be on one of those. A picturing one. [52:25] But you have a duck face. No, I wouldn't. But Mary Vincent needs to be one of those. Yeah, she does. She needs an I Survived candle. She needs to, like, it needs to be a candle that's, like, the patron saint of badassery. [52:37] I want that. I'd buy that. Yeah, I want that. I'd buy that for a lot of money. That's just our little, you know, pitch through crime candles. So, yeah. So that was, at least that one was a good one. It had a real bummer in the beginning. [52:49] It had a real bummer in the middle, but, like, you know, in the end... He died. At least he's dead, and... And Mary's a fucking beautiful artist. Yeah, and Mary's just this beautiful fucking wildflower just floating through and...

[53:03] She is a wildflower. So that's a great one. And we hope you enjoyed that one. We'll do some more of these, like, fun survival ones sprinkled in every now and then because they're nice. Yeah, not everybody has to die. Yeah, I mean, it definitely gives the grisly shit, but, like, it's nice to have that. Every once in a while to have an end that's like, yeah, all right. So we hope you guys enjoyed this. Like I said, we want to start getting out some more content. We just have to kind of, like, make it work for us. Yeah. [53:33] we want to get to so we really do want to just give you as much as we can. [53:36] Um, eventually we'll try to do two a week. We're definitely going to try to do that. I think we can make it work sooner than later. We just kind of have to, we'll, we'll get it. We'll get it together. We'll buckle up. We'll buckle it up. We'll, we'll figure it out. Cause I know you guys will, um. [53:49] be psyched to get more. [53:51] We want to give you that because you're so amazing. [53:55] And, yeah, so we'll do another bonus episode very shortly. I think we, in fact, I know we are going to hit House of a Thousand Corpses. What? Because I'm very excited to show Ash that for the first time. I have no seat to it. [54:11] And I love doing that. I love giving you, like, a first run. Yeah. It was, like, Freddy versus Jason. That's what you've done for, like, my whole life. So I love it. I love being the one to introduce you to this, like, fucked up shit. Ayo. So we'll do House of a Thousand Corpses. Our next case is not going to be a survived one. [54:27] It's one that I remember reading about early in my true crime fascination. Not right in the beginning, but it's one that I just remember constantly coming up when I was reading. So we won't tell you about it yet. But I'll tease. Yeah, let's do the tease-y. Yeah, we'll tease it out. So we'll see if anybody, any of you true crime aficionados can snag which one it is. If you guess, you win. Yeah, you know what? If you guess it right...

[54:54] You want to... We'll give you a sticker. Yeah, you get a sticker. Yeah, if you guess it right, we'll give you a morbid sticker. So we'll put out some teasers and we'll see if anybody can get it. The first person to guess it right. Yeah, the first person to guess it right. Yeah. Because if everybody just repeats the same one, we're going to have like 400 stickers. I just realized that. Okay. [55:15] So the first person to get it right will give a sticker to. You get a sticker and you get a sticker. You get a sticker. Everybody gets a sticker. Look under your chair. There's a sticker. There's a sticker. [55:27] Enjoy it. Imagine if that was part of Oprah's, like, thing. When she's like, and you get it, look under your chairs. And they were like, it's a sticker. And she was like, it's a sticker. [55:36] It's just Oprah's face. Thanks, fucking Oprah. So, yeah. [55:40] Oh, so make sure you guys rate and review, and it really helps us out. [55:46] And, you know, hit that subscribe button. Find us on Instagram. At Morbid Podcast. Email us. Morbidpodcast.gmail.com. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it fucking weird. You threw in the fucking. I did. I felt like I wanted to make it aggressive. Don't just be weird. Be fucking weird. Be fucking weird, man. And don't sleep on the couch. [56:10] And fresh air is for dead people. And don't hitchhike. And don't hitchhike. And if you do hitchhike, don't fall asleep. Yeah, definitely don't fall asleep. Mary Vincent, you the shit. [56:19] Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent.

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